Elite dangerous and bug/ch abusing has gone to next level.

[Goose4291]

This is the most petty and vindictive thing I have seen in this forum in a long time.

I wish this had been locked on page 1, it's not serving any purpose other than to get people fighting and divide the community further.

I won't even start on the horrific bias in the survey questions to begin the thing but someone was baiting this from the get-go and should be ashamed of themselves.

I'm embarrassed for all of us.

I see.

Please explain why its considered to be petty and vindictive to be upset because someone pestered the devs to magic teleport players around, who kept their exploration data for 'reasons' while those who toughed it out and didnt feel the need to pester the devs lost out big time.

 

[Dbrn47]

I see.

Please explain why its considered to be petty and vindictive to be upset because someone pestered the devs to magic teleport players around, who kept their exploration data for 'reasons' while those who toughed it out and didnt feel the need to pester the devs lost out big time.

Well, it was based on incorrect information for starters. The tone was accusatory and presumptuous as well, including the title. It assumed that the information held was 100% correct and then went on to immediately blame the team and the player, for dubious actions. This then set the stage for an upset segment of the community over partial information, all because the poster was annoyed about something they weren't even fully informed about. I'd say that's petty and vindictive, including what your posting here since you seem to miss the part where no one 'pestered' anyone for a 'magic teleport'.

 

[Mengy]

Just lock this thread already this is getting silly.

Please explain why its considered to be petty and vindictive to be upset because someone pestered the devs to magic teleport players around, who kept their exploration data for 'reasons' while those who toughed it out and didnt feel the need to pester the devs lost out big time.

Eh, to be fair we now know that's not what happened. The tags are a result of some Frontier support actions that had effects they never considered nor were aware of. None of it was anywhere near as secretive nor cheesy as the beginning of the thread suggested. I still think the tags should be removed, but placing blame or malice really isn't appropriate anymore. Mistakes happen, it's not like the galaxy is going to become unraveled due to any of this.

 

[Zulu Romeo]

I was hoping to make the trip just so that I can add the system maps to my galaxy map database, even if it means not receiving exploration payment or first discovery tags. I hope there can be a way to make this so.

 

[Saool]

I was hoping to make the trip just so that I can add the system maps to my galaxy map database, even if it means not receiving exploration payment or first discovery tags. I hope there can be a way to make this so.

Well every system has been explored and screenshots taken of every body after detailed scans. They are all on a google doc. I can't say if or when that data will be made public.

I'll be involved in the mass suicide this evening, so will lose any data I have, but I will check to see if I can still see data on the systems afterwards.

 

[sewerratuk]

My interest in this lies with whether this new transportation technology can be modified for ship/module instant transfer

 

[lokvette]

Voted dont care more as its sunday morning im on the John posting on my phone, but if they were not the first cmdrs there then no they shouldnt have the tags for being the first to discover it, to discover somthing is to go there then come home and tell everyone what you found.

They knew it was a one way trip when they set off. Then saying ohh were here now but we knew we cant get bk but can we still tag this, nah bad play tbh.

 

[Zulu Romeo]

Well every system has been explored and screenshots taken of every body after detailed scans. They are all on a google doc. I can't say if or when that data will be made public.

I'll be involved in the mass suicide this evening, so will lose any data I have, but I will check to see if I can still see data on the systems afterwards.

I was hoping for the system map data to be in game, on our own maps, once the self destruct was done. But I guess this would be an adequate alternative.

 

[Martin Afonso]

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Eh, to be fair we now know that's not what happened. The tags are a result of some Frontier support actions that had effects they never considered nor were aware of. None of it was anywhere near as secretive nor cheesy as the beginning of the thread suggested. I still think the tags should be removed, but placing blame or malice really isn't appropriate anymore. Mistakes happen, it's not like the galaxy is going to become unraveled due to any of this.

Frontier didn't obliged them to go and sell the data. They could climb to the cluster again, as many of us who crashed mid-expedition did, or take the Suicidewinder. They sold their data on purpose, as they admitted in Discord and in this thread. Malice?. Don't know, don't mind. On purpose?. Yeah. And that's the point.

So, please FDev remove these tags.

 

[Jack Schitt]

If I was working for FD Support I'd change the tags to read "FIRST DISCOVERED BY DONALD J. TRUMP. PERIOD."

 

[Qohen Leth]

At least if *something* had been achieved, but no. It's a short 'expedition', not a big deal of setting it up, and the 'great achievement' comes down to a couple boosted jumps. Preparing the ship is in itself only a matter of how much one can put into grinding and how much luck one has when rolling dices at Farseer's and her buddies. It certainly does not deserve Frontier's help bypassing the game's limitations.

I find it plainly unfair to other players and an irresponsible doing, for the developper of a MMO.

 

[[VR] optimal_909]

If you get destroyed and choose the 'Sidewinder' option, i.e. lose your ship, then you keep the data - i.e. the whole thread is misleading.

This is a known bypass since ages and FDev surely wasn't involved in keeping the tags. Those who chose this got their very expensive tags by saying bye-bye to highly engineered ships. I think the tags should remain there.

 

[CMDR GTR2014]

So in the end we came up with this conclusion

Support = Nothing wrong ,maybe a late support ticket... And They should have looked at CMDR Curent position before teleporting him, for those asking about data... he didnt died at the cluster he died beofre arriving there , then come back again , got into the cluster,then the magic want put him just outside the cluster.

DSE = From the player itself we could see that the DSE was eagerlly to put some tag on the cluster , and liked the idea of selling the data even if it's wasn't the group idea , plans, remember they said ONE WAY TRIP... so -20 REP for me. A big group should have stayed out of the fire and said to him self destruct LIKE EVERYONE else.


Player = Absurd attitude, greedy , and shameless, got a opportunity (non intentional CHEAT) to tag the stars and did so, even if the whole point of the DSE was to blow up in the end, for me this kind of people should be prohibted to participate on the next DSE.

It's not about the DSE, it's not about the tags,
It's about how you use something that you clearly won by the wrong means, I'd never tag a star if i was "helped" by god hands even if it was a super rare one. This is about pride, and i think the player who did this have none, or at least the need to have something marked on his name is bigger than his pride... Because now we can say that those stars should have his name a coma and the frontier support tag.

First Discovered By : YadaYada,Frontier Support.

 

[SamSlade]

this is really lame; it's a few vain players spitting in the eye of everyone else that took part in the event.

 

[Quester91]

They went to great lengths to organize this expedition and to find a way there. They went accepting that it would be a one way mission, without any expectation that FD would help them out in any way beyond perhaps recognition in a newsletter, or perhaps a decal like happened with Distant Worlds.

That FD decided to do this i think was a wonderful gesture. Their names will now remain there as the first to reach those systems, a wonderful achievement.

In the future, FD might increase jump ranges or give us other ways to get to that cluster. Would be a shame if those who came later could tag the systems that others had already been to and scanned.

Also, small side note, but once you have a scanned an object/system, and died, you can't go back and rescan it, because its already known to you. So, should it, in future, become possible to get there and come back, they would not be able to try and be the first to tag what they first discovered.

At the end of the day, if it bothers you so much, why were you not on this expedition in the first place?

So much of this.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

If you get destroyed and choose the 'Sidewinder' option, i.e. lose your ship, then you keep the data - i.e. the whole thread is misleading.

I wasn't aware of this. That's even worse!

This is a known bypass since ages and FDev surely wasn't involved in keeping the tags. Those who chose this got their very expensive tags by saying bye-bye to highly engineered ships. I think the tags should remain there.

I disagree. Anyone who ever got their tags this way should have them and their cash in of data removed.

Should, because I'm guessing it's a practical nightmare if this has been going on for all this time and too late to rectify.

 

[bitstorm]

If you get destroyed and choose the 'Sidewinder' option, i.e. lose your ship, then you keep the data - i.e. the whole thread is misleading.

This is a known bypass since ages and FDev surely wasn't involved in keeping the tags. Those who chose this got their very expensive tags by saying bye-bye to highly engineered ships. I think the tags should remain there.

Is this right? I did not know this (also not in a position to test).

 

[[VR] optimal_909]

Is this right? I did not know this (also not in a position to test).

I never tried it, but IIRC this is the case. In fact I was expecting this to happen and I have no issues with it. For the record, I would have some reservations if FDev support were behind it.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

At the end of the day, if it bothers you so much, why were you not on this expedition in the first place?

For one, I'm at Jaques.
Two, I haven't played for some time due to reasons.
Three, there's the principle of the matter to take into account.
Four, if I were at the expedition I would want it to play out as advertised.
Five, it takes engineering malarky to have a top end jump ship.
Six, I'm sure we agree I can think of a sixth, so I'm just including it on general principle.

Bonus: 36 or bust!

 

[[VR] optimal_909]

I wasn't aware of this. That's even worse!


I disagree. Anyone who ever got their tags this way should have them and their cash in of data removed.

Should, because I'm guessing it's a practical nightmare if this has been going on for all this time and too late to rectify.

Again, IIRC is now emphasised - if two seasoned explorers aren't aware of this then I could have missed the point. Perhaps I've got the beige madness.