Elite Dangerous no longer an MMO?

[Hussars]

What is the verdict - do we know what is mmo yet or not?

So I think they've decided to agree on the definition of MMO(G).. but now it's the discussion of details that warrant the phrase "Massive" and/or "Multiplayer" which would need to be resolved.

OED defines those too, but in this context, massive multiplayer needing a "concurrent user" determinate will be subject to personal expectation and interpretation.

 

[Andovar]

MMO is Massively Multiplayer Online. As opposed to just multiplayer online. The massive doesn't describe the game play area, it describes the number of players in one environment.

In 'Massively multiplayer online game', 'Massively' doesn't modify 'game'. It is an adverb giving further details about the adjective following it, namely 'multiplayer'. If it refered to the game world, we would use the adjective 'Massive', as you did. We dont.

Thankfully some people get it. +rep to you.
It's not currently a MMO, hence why they removed the MMO advertising (well, most of it at least).
Personally, I really don't care what it's called or classified as, since I'm still having fun with it.

 

[Oheck]

Funny how easy it is to identify solo players in threads like this..

 

[Blake_Dragon]

What is the verdict - do we know what is mmo yet or not?

Don't think so, but I got plenty popcorn, want some?

 

[Hussars]

Don't think so, but I got plenty popcorn, want some?

Everytime i see your avatar, all I can think is "SPACESHIP!!"
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[benkei]

I would describe it as an MMO if you apply the basic literal meaning of MMO
Taken from Google:
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A massively multiplayer online game (also called MMO and MMOG) is a multiplayer video game which is capable of supporting large numbers of players simultaneously. By necessity, they are played on the Internet.
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It is a massive server/world/galaxy which all players share
It is multiplayer
It is online
But most gamers have the expectation of raiding, grouping and watching the world run by...ED is not this.
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Pre release there were comments made by FD, mostly in the newsletters, as to the game being an MMO and I think they were taking the first literal meaning.
I think they may be avoiding the MMO wording now as players don't perceive MMO's this way and it creates a conflict of expectations

I agree on this one. Wrong expectations on the side of a lot of players. I suspect that the vocal pvp-crowd belongs to that group too.
I got what I expected. Tho I actually read stuff before buying

 

[Drathmar]

I agree on this one. Wrong expectations on the side of a lot of players. I suspect that the vocal pvp-crowd belongs to that group too.
I got what I expected. Tho I actually read stuff before buying

Same. And to the person who inferred anyone who thinks this MMO plays solo... no. I play exclusively in open.

 

[rdizz]

What is the verdict - do we know what is mmo yet or not?

This made me lol

 

[Robert Maynard]

32 is not "very large". Keyword: simultaneous. An mmo needs at least hundreds, if not thousands of concurrent players. A proper mmo like WoW has thousands of people running around azeroth in one shard. Another proper mmo like Planetside also supports up to 2000 simultaneous players per continent. Even the first planetside had a limit of 400. Contrast the next most "massive" fps and you're looking at 64, maybe 128 players, which isn't that massive.

Massive alone may be vague but the scale required in this instance is clear. Context is important.

Given that all players in open share the same galaxy (in fact, all players - regardless of play mode - share the same galaxy simulation) and have the chance to meet each other, how is that not massive? Instances are limited (from what we are told) to 32 players however are likely to be smaller than this due to quality of service issues - that does not stop players moving from instance to instance. The simultaneous players are not just the players that a player can see - they are all of those who inhabit the galaxy.

 

[BLACKHOUND]

seems like we getting into semantics a little bit, what MMO is and what not: Wiki Definition is as follows

I highlighted a couple parts there as it does not state it HAS to be. the second part, we have to see how the promised Wings is going to be.
Now, nowhere does it seem to say that all players have to be able to be all together in one space. it does allow a large number of players to be on simultaneously, in the same universe after all, solo, groups and open all share the same universe and everyone affects it, albeit in a minuscule way. If you look at some threads on here, people claim to have started expansions into neighboring systems by supporting factions. so looking at it this way, i think the label still fits.

as it has been mentioned above too, WoT is defined as an MMO, other then over the sight of your cannon you don't see or meet other people and even then, its a matchmaker that puts you in a room with 29 other people, or less.
i think a big unknown right now is how Wings will change this game, what it will bring to the table. after all, this game has not even been out a month. i for one, personally, have fun with it. i do play open and i run into other players fairly often now that i returned to the core systems a bit more from the frontier i was in. most people don't even talk when you give them a friendly hail. guess they out there looking for giant space rats


Edit: you guys want going to make me want to fire up WoT again, lol

I totally agree with you analysis. Some people in this thread have a really narrow definition of what is an MMO and they tailor it to fit their state of mind. They seem to suggest that FD has somehow lied to them that they need to change their wording and marketing.

Your post totally shows that FD has the right and is not lying when they call Elite an MMO.

When you can see threads about griefing in a game YOU HAVE to define that game as an MMO how can it be otherwise???

If WOT is an MMO then Elite is more an MMO than WOT.

To all : Case closed stop making another storm in a teacup...

Thanks!

 

[Flyinpiranha]

Funny how easy it is to identify solo players in threads like this..

Most probably aren't even posting in a thread that's so pointless. I'm ashamed of myself.

 

[Jukelo]

They seem to suggest that FD has somehow lied to them that they need to change their wording and marketing.

Funny thing: They have.

 

[TheEponymousBob]

Actually..

OED : http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/MMOG

Just saying...

Thank you. So unless anyone can provide a more authoratitive source that says otherwise, E: D both is and was marketed correctly.

 

[BLACKHOUND]

[...]so I never trust them when they say it. I don't buy anything without researching first, including games. I never trust trailer videos, I never trust dev/publisher descriptions of their games, I never trust their labeling (like calling it MMO) and I sometimes don't even trust "official" reviews.

Ahh humm... maybe your parents forgot you once too many time at the kindergarten after work and it is the cause of your trust issues?

just kidding!

 

[Bambi]

Given that all players in open share the same galaxy (in fact, all players - regardless of play mode - share the same galaxy simulation) and have the chance to meet each other, how is that not massive? Instances are limited (from what we are told) to 32 players however are likely to be smaller than this due to quality of service issues - that does not stop players moving from instance to instance. The simultaneous players are not just the players that a player can see - they are all of those who inhabit the galaxy.

A global metagame does not an mmo make. Sim City connects you to the "global market" to set prices of goods that your city produces, even if you play in a private region completely by yourself. That is not an mmo.

 

[BLACKHOUND]

Funny thing: They have.

not about the MMO label though case close

 

[CMDR Bansidhe]

Actually..

OED : http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/MMOG

Just saying...

Thank you. So unless anyone can provide a more authoratitive source that says otherwise, E: D both is and was marketed correctly.

http://www.oed.com/ is the site for the OED.

You posted a link to a totally different site and claimed it was the OED. Just because it says Oxford Dictionaries doesn't make it the OED any more than the Federal Reserve is a Government Agency just because it says Federal.

If you guys have to bend the truth to support your argument then I humbly suggest it is time to rethink your argument.

 

[Flyinpiranha]

A global metagame does not an mmo make. Sim City connects you to the "global market" to set prices of goods that your city produces, even if you play in a private region completely by yourself. That is not an mmo.

But we have the opportunity to meet every single person in the game. We are only limited by instances (much like an MMO server). We still have the ability to interact with every player ever in this game if they are 'online'. The only limitation is the size of the instance.

 

[Macgyver]

I read FD removed the MMO label from advertising, and sure enough it doesn't say MMO on anything current that I am seeing. What is this??
First they pull offline, now they strike MMO?
Sorry, but Devs cant just do that. FD advertised and sold it as an MMO it needs to deliver or refund.
If someone orders a steak and you give them chicken its not a steak, even if you change the menu after they order and pay, its kind of illegal to do that. Bad form to say the least.
Pretty simple stuff.
Is this true, what do you know about it?
Lord knows we haven't heard much of anything from FD since launch.
What in gods name did I buy into?
Hopefully its just a false alarm. If so I will delete this post haste.

Yes, they have heeded my advice on legal grounds it would seem.
Unfortunately for them, that will only affect future says, not pre sales or sales upto the date of change.
" The Internet Never Forgets "
I still fully stand by my words that software developers must be held responsible for false advertising of products.
Unfortunately FD, this is only a bandaid on a severed arm.
Let's hope you make some drastic game improvements quickly.

 

[Bambi]

But we have the opportunity to meet every single person in the game. We are only limited by instances (much like an MMO server). We still have the ability to interact with every player ever in this game if they are 'online'. The only limitation is the size of the instance.

So basically now we're arguing about the definition of 'large'.

You don't have that opportunity. You will be randomly matched, meaning some people will never be matched. In an MMO, every single player on that shard exist together in one world.

The definition of massive can be gained from looking at games that are MMO's and games that are not.