Hook, line and sinker. Boom..yah..so I only login once a week for 15 mins before I realize I can have more fun with my gaming time in the other 10 game I play.
Elite Dangerous no longer an MMO?
- Thread starter Ghostickles
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From the store page today!Frontier have called Elite: Dangerous a MMO many times in the past...
Well, there it is - right on the store page
Yes, and this game matches it. What it doesn't match is what people 'think' are the base of any game in the MMO genre like trade chat and grouping.
I just think people wanted WoW in space where they could gank and yell crap like "JUST A SMALL TOWN GIRL" in main chat channels. I'm glad it's none of that.
But I will agree, it's a bit reaching on my part, but I won't disagree with the fact that as it stands, it's an MMO.
But let's not kid ourselves, we know this argument is just another stick on the fire of expectations for a game that CLEARLY is what it is, and not what people are trying to force it to be.
I've seen station building, solar system owning, pvp arena, and player commodities all asked for. WoW in space, or EVE is what people want this game to become. I heavily disagree with those people.
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Is there an official dictionary definition of MMO? Seems like you'd need one if you want to drive home the point. Not just 'what you think it is'.
From the store page today!
to be completely fair (which is rare here) that is something that is easy to miss. I mean if someone says 'they never said it' its not exactly like such a statement isnt unwarrented
HAVING SAID THAT, I completely disagree with FDs description and I think that should be removed.
so there we have it..done..moving on
FD must have been fully aware that ED was being described as an MMO, even if they did little themselves to actually promote it as such (which they incidentally did: DB's interview with the "Technically, it has always been (an MMO)" and the statement on the store). And FD made no attempt at all to steer the projected image away from MMO and all its expectations. Is this bad faith PR (not quite false advertising, but hoping to cash in on an MMO audience, knowing full well it's not what they will expect) or an incompetent PR (technically, it is MMO, and people will research this title before buying, so we don't have to correct the view).
FD could have released statement all over the place that said things like, yes, it's going to have thousands of players, but we won't have (m)any of the tools expected of traditional MMOs in place, so you won't be able to organise meetings and huge battles in game. But, no, they just let the media coverage of ED go all out on Elite84, but MMO-style.
And in my opinion, ED doesn't feel like an MMO. I've never played an MMO, but there is very little MMO-ish about it. I don't feel the presence of other players (I've had comms with 2 CMDRs so far, once because I was in 78 Ursae Majoris, once somewhere else), I can't even organise myself ingame with other players, even with out of game help, I cannot guarantee a meeting with a friend due to instancing, you can't organise groups, etc. MMO does not immediately instill within me the idea of crafting or owning ingame real estate, but FD should have realised that MMO is so closely related to MMORPG (and often even used as a synonym) that the PR department should have acted on it.
So yes, it is good for current expectations that they are removing references to MMO from their sites. I don't know what it will mean for future developments. I do suspect that they've severly misunderstood what bringing in an MMO-crowd to their customer base means for the way they want to run their service.
FD could have released statement all over the place that said things like, yes, it's going to have thousands of players, but we won't have (m)any of the tools expected of traditional MMOs in place, so you won't be able to organise meetings and huge battles in game. But, no, they just let the media coverage of ED go all out on Elite84, but MMO-style.
And in my opinion, ED doesn't feel like an MMO. I've never played an MMO, but there is very little MMO-ish about it. I don't feel the presence of other players (I've had comms with 2 CMDRs so far, once because I was in 78 Ursae Majoris, once somewhere else), I can't even organise myself ingame with other players, even with out of game help, I cannot guarantee a meeting with a friend due to instancing, you can't organise groups, etc. MMO does not immediately instill within me the idea of crafting or owning ingame real estate, but FD should have realised that MMO is so closely related to MMORPG (and often even used as a synonym) that the PR department should have acted on it.
So yes, it is good for current expectations that they are removing references to MMO from their sites. I don't know what it will mean for future developments. I do suspect that they've severly misunderstood what bringing in an MMO-crowd to their customer base means for the way they want to run their service.
I think the only other term to be more elusive is 'sandbox'
You never gonna get more than 3 people agreing
LOL. I had a great day playing Galactic Civilizations 2. Whats Elite: Dangerous again?
Also straight from David Braben's mouth (one of many occasions he says it).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GxJbOMaXa0&feature=youtu.be&t=5m12s
[video=youtube;0GxJbOMaXa0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GxJbOMaXa0&feature=youtu.be&t=5m12s[/video]
At 5m12s. You might have to click the link rather than the video to go to the direct point in the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GxJbOMaXa0&feature=youtu.be&t=5m12s
[video=youtube;0GxJbOMaXa0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GxJbOMaXa0&feature=youtu.be&t=5m12s[/video]
At 5m12s. You might have to click the link rather than the video to go to the direct point in the video.
There is not cast iron guarantee that we will definitely get them. As we saw in offlinegate FD are capable of say "Naw, too hard, not going to do it".
That could very easily happen with planetary landings and First person gameplay. Till I actually install it or they come out with marketing blurb about them then I can't say for certain we will get them.
I hope so as I paid for the expansion pass!
I think the point in all this is being missed.
here is my view
1. Elite is not an MMO and if FD called it an MMO (which it now appears they did) then I personally disagree with that.
2. So..with that...what does it mean exactly? should they be spanked? are the non-fans finally going to quit? do I need to sit in the corner and have a timeout? not sure I understand the point
here is my view
1. Elite is not an MMO and if FD called it an MMO (which it now appears they did) then I personally disagree with that.
2. So..with that...what does it mean exactly? should they be spanked? are the non-fans finally going to quit? do I need to sit in the corner and have a timeout? not sure I understand the point
MMO is Massively Multiplayer Online. As opposed to just multiplayer online. The massive doesn't describe the game play area, it describes the number of players in one environment.
Not all games that call themselves MMOs do so accurately. WoT describes itself as an MMO as does WT and yet at 15 and 16 per side respectively they are actually just multiplayer games. Like Battlefield. At 32 people max per instance ED is not MASSIVELY Multiplayer either, even if it is online.
Just because some MMOs in the past have had character progression and guilds etc. does not mean that that is what is required for it to be an MMO. All lemons are yellow but not everything that is yellow is a lemon. To be an MMO it has to live up to the words in the title. It has to be Online and it has to be Massively Multiplayer.
Elite Dangerous specifically describes itself as massively multiplayer online as evidenced in the screenshots in this thread. Elite Dangerous lies.
QFT, as they say. I really don't think that they thought it through very well and again I think it comes down to a degree of naivety at the top regarding online games and their communities.
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iirc it said massive multiplayer online game in the title.
This WAS a little misleading in one sense and so if it has been removed, that is a good thing imo as it does not fit the generic term that a lot of people associate with it.
however it WAS NOT a lie imo. The game is massive, its multiplayer and its online (and it has a massive number of people affecting the exonomy at all times)
it would belike an American man saying he had a sore . IF he said that it would probably mean they had a sore backside & that would be an accurate statement, however it would be understandable if a certain number of people thought it meant something else
....edited to an equally silly comparison, but one which may make my point better with an international audience...
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That's what I said, you got supercruise out of it.
I'm not 100% sure that micro jumps weren't the better choice.
I think the point is that ppl are worried thet FD is not sure what to do with the online game they created more or less and what direction to go.
It's basically hilarous and shows that you can't trust FD the least little bit. And it is an MMO, just an unfinished one.