Elite has no respect for people's time.

I can't think of any other pursuit that yields so little for the time you invest.

I'd like to play more Elite; the ships are amazing and they sound and feel great.

However, that's not enough. I just can't justify spending hours looking for random named materials for random engineers, or trying broken missions, or broken powerplay, or driving around on bleak planets.

There are two places I know I can go to have fun; RESs and Conflict Zones. Wait, three; nav beacons. Because I know what I'm signing up for; I arrive, I fight for as long as I like, I go. But I've been playing Elite for over a thousand hours now, and you know what? I'm bored of these.

Since I bought the game nearly two years ago, FD has added nothing that entertains me save a few extra ships. Everything else they've added, I've tried to enjoy, but the game is so mean spirited and makes it so damn hard to get any enjoyment out of. I have a lot of things to do in my "free time", and try as I might (and I try pretty         hard, people) I just can't justify spending the time on Elite when spending it any other way, any other way, is more enjoyable and productive.

Yes, I know. It's Elite Dangerous. It doesn't hold your hand or anything, it's a living Galaxy. But it has to offer enough enjoyment from time spent playing it to justify doing so, which, I'm sorry, I'm now aware that it simply does not.(this is subjective, of course, it simply does not for me - but my requirements are quite low compared to most gamers, and I'm lucky enough to have more time than many to spend playing).

FD are madly creating an amazing universe but they've forgotten that they need to make it something people want to spend time with. Scale and numbers mean nothing by themselves; you have to let people experience it in a way that they enjoy. You might argue that they're crafting the world's most amazing space sim, and that to expect a more "enjoyable" experience is at odds with the core of what Elite is.

And that's a fine argument. Unless you want to people to actually PLAY IT.

Elite is so damn disrespectful of people's time. So. Disrespectful. Doing anything takes so much time. SO much time spent "playing" is literally watching clocks count; distances, drives charging, fuel gauges charging, whatever. Elite always comes down to time, it's what the game asks of you, punishes you with, accidentally demands of you with it's archaic idiosyncrasies. And I can no longer justify this time because it is simply not enjoyable enough. I have other games that are just more rewarding to spend time with, not to mention other non-screen based pursuits.

Clearly I've had enough of Elite and need to take a very long break. But you know, I have no great hope that the game will ever become something that appeals to me, now that I understand why it is I feel I can't play it. I think it will never embrace the fact that people want to enjoy it, I think FD are locked on a crazy path and do not understand that their game is terribly neglecting the human element. Since I first bought it, they have spent so much time and effort on it yet added so, so very little that I actually enjoy.

And so it is with heavy heart that this Elite rated commander, who has spent so long playing this game, must condemn Elite, having realized it for what it is and knowing deep down that he can never justify the time to spend on something so cold, mean and boring when there are so much better things to do.

I'm sorry for the rant, please understand it comes from love.

Elite. You MUST learn to respect people's time. You. Must.
 
You need both kind of tasks in this kind of "online" game. Ones for people that don't have a lot of time and ones for the others.

Just the way it is. It is well known also that ED is a grind game in some parts.
 
I agree. It's Grindy - Like... Really Grindy... Like it wants to be an numbers based MMO... and you entertain yourself by saying you'll get to that next thing- and then that next thing - and before you know it you've wasted a day and have little to show for it and then when you do get that thing its not that great and everyone else has it anyway, months before you did.

I think it's fantastic but its not finished. Best option would be to step away for two years and see if it's any different then
 

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FD (mostly) sorted out the one truly horrible time sink, the Engineers grind. Rightly so. That particular element was just daft when first introduced. Now it's playable for all.

I don't know what else OP wants.
 
You need both kind of tasks in this kind of "online" game. Ones for people that don't have a lot of time and ones for the others.

Just the way it is. It is well known also that ED is a grind game in some parts.

My concern is that even those with all the time they could want can't justify spending it so unproductively. Whether it's 30mins or 3 hours, time spent doing anything else is more productive and entertaining than Elite.

It's not about providing tasks for those with lots or little time. It's about respecting the time people invest in this game, not asking them to spend an hour moving to and changing one of their ships so they can do something with friends who happen to be in another star system (for example).
 
FD (mostly) sorted out the one truly horrible time sink, the Engineers grind. Rightly so. That particular element was just daft when first introduced. Now it's playable for all.

I don't know what else OP wants.

I want to feel like spending time on Elite is not a complete waste compared to anything else I could be doing.

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If you spent your free time with stuff you don't like you have only yourself to blame.

Sadly, the truth. The realization that this applies to Elite is a sombre one.
 

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I want to feel like spending time on Elite is not a complete waste compared to anything else I could be doing.

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Sadly, the truth. The realization that this applies to Elite is a sombre one.

The only advice I can offer is to stop playing then, if you feel it's a waste of time. There was one point I felt like that while I was still playing on Xbox, so I just stopped for a bit.
 
The only advice I can offer is to stop playing then, if you feel it's a waste of time. There was one point I felt like that while I was still playing on Xbox, so I just stopped for a bit.

Yep, you're absolutely right; I am indeed stopping. I just felt that I had to at least try to communicate how I felt for the good of a game I love yet must leave behind.

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It applies to any game or entertainment product, they will always be meaningless compared to other stuff you could do.

With respect, no.

This might be true for you. For me, entertaining myself is the highest art in life. Technically I could be curing cancer or building houses, but since I value the experience of life so highly, enjoying myself (playing videogames or otherwise) is as worthy, to me. I don't argue about what I am.
 

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Yep, you're absolutely right; I am indeed stopping. I just felt that I had to at least try to communicate how I felt for the good of a game I love yet must leave behind.

Look I feel for you man, I really do. But the reception you're likely to get here from the general population is not going to be so forgiving, I think.

In any case, I hope you find something to keep you happy & perhaps you'll check out Elite again at some point in the future.

Fly safe. o7
 
I can't think of any other pursuit that yields so little for the time you invest.

I'd like to play more Elite; the ships are amazing and they sound and feel great.

However, that's not enough. I just can't justify spending hours looking for random named materials for random engineers, or trying broken missions, or broken powerplay, or driving around on bleak planets.

There are two places I know I can go to have fun; RESs and Conflict Zones. Wait, three; nav beacons. Because I know what I'm signing up for; I arrive, I fight for as long as I like, I go. But I've been playing Elite for over a thousand hours now, and you know what? I'm bored of these.

Since I bought the game nearly two years ago, FD has added nothing that entertains me save a few extra ships. Everything else they've added, I've tried to enjoy, but the game is so mean spirited and makes it so damn hard to get any enjoyment out of. I have a lot of things to do in my "free time", and try as I might (and I try pretty hard, people) I just can't justify spending the time on Elite when spending it any other way, any other way, is more enjoyable and productive.

Yes, I know. It's Elite Dangerous. It doesn't hold your hand or anything, it's a living Galaxy. But it has to offer enough enjoyment from time spent playing it to justify doing so, which, I'm sorry, I'm now aware that it simply does not.(this is subjective, of course, it simply does not for me - but my requirements are quite low compared to most gamers, and I'm lucky enough to have more time than many to spend playing).

FD are madly creating an amazing universe but they've forgotten that they need to make it something people want to spend time with. Scale and numbers mean nothing by themselves; you have to let people experience it in a way that they enjoy. You might argue that they're crafting the world's most amazing space sim, and that to expect a more "enjoyable" experience is at odds with the core of what Elite is.

And that's a fine argument. Unless you want to people to actually PLAY IT.

Elite is so damn disrespectful of people's time. So. Disrespectful. Doing anything takes so much time. SO much time spent "playing" is literally watching clocks count; distances, drives charging, fuel gauges charging, whatever. Elite always comes down to time, it's what the game asks of you, punishes you with, accidentally demands of you with it's archaic idiosyncrasies. And I can no longer justify this time because it is simply not enjoyable enough. I have other games that are just more rewarding to spend time with, not to mention other non-screen based pursuits.

Clearly I've had enough of Elite and need to take a very long break. But you know, I have no great hope that the game will ever become something that appeals to me, now that I understand why it is I feel I can't play it. I think it will never embrace the fact that people want to enjoy it, I think FD are locked on a crazy path and do not understand that their game is terribly neglecting the human element. Since I first bought it, they have spent so much time and effort on it yet added so, so very little that I actually enjoy.

And so it is with heavy heart that this Elite rated commander, who has spent so long playing this game, must condemn Elite, having realized it for what it is and knowing deep down that he can never justify the time to spend on something so cold, mean and boring when there are so much better things to do.

I'm sorry for the rant, please understand it comes from love.

Elite. You MUST learn to respect people's time. You. Must.

You must respect your own time. Dont like playing ED? Do something else. But you disliking a different design doesnt mean they are not 'respecting your time'.
 
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You need both kind of tasks in this kind of "online" game. Ones for people that don't have a lot of time and ones for the others.

Just the way it is. It is well known also that ED is a grind game in some parts.

Not only a grind in places, but frankly in such a "huge living galaxy" it completely lacks depth IMHO. Nothing "Persists" whatever you do. You are permanently wired into your ships/SRV cockpit. You cannot "Group up" with other players in a meaningful way, you certainly can't trade with other players or store ill/honestly gotten gains anywhere other than the hold of your ship. To top it all each addition "Arena", "Power play" and "Engineers" are just other hurdle jumping mini games that do not add to the depth of the game as a whole. Maybe its part of an FD master plan, but in the absence of any communication through these forums on the subject, I somehow doubt it!
 
My concern is that even those with all the time they could want can't justify spending it so unproductively. Whether it's 30mins or 3 hours, time spent doing anything else is more productive and entertaining than Elite.

It's not about providing tasks for those with lots or little time. It's about respecting the time people invest in this game, not asking them to spend an hour moving to and changing one of their ships so they can do something with friends who happen to be in another star system (for example).

Ooooh yes, just changing a ship and go to xy destination can often take a complete hour. Some people have only 2-3 hours per day for gaming (and that is much!!!) and so Elite isn't made for busy people. It is made for people who have a lot of time they can waste.
Playing elite is unproductive but entertaining, just like most computergames. If the 'entertaining' part fell off, than better make a break or look for something else.
It's fact that nothing can entertain people forever. So take the good memorys and make a break. The game is, how it is. A time-consuming machine.
 
Look I feel for you man, I really do. But the reception you're likely to get here from the general population is not going to be so forgiving, I think.

In any case, I hope you find something to keep you happy & perhaps you'll check out Elite again at some point in the future.

Fly safe. o7

Thanks Alicorn. Those who understand will, those who don't won't. I'm ok with that. Gl hf out there too, cmdr.

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Ooooh yes, just changing a ship and go to xy destination can often take a complete hour. Some people have only 2-3 hours per day for gaming (and that is much!!!) and so Elite isn't made for busy people. It is made for people who have a lot of time they can waste.
Playing elite is unproductive but entertaining, just like most computergames. If the 'entertaining' part fell off, than better make a break or look for something else.
It's fact that nothing can entertain people forever. So take the good memorys and make a break. The game is, how it is. A time-consuming machine.

Wise words.

You're right, the game is, how it is. I guess I'm just a little morose in the face of how bare a truth that is, and how harsh the glare of realization.
 

Elite. You MUST learn to respect people's time. You. Must.
Just....remember, this is also comes down to people's expectations, big ships are NOT endgame, but means to do something you want to do.
I don't have that much time myself, but I certainly do not want the game to be reduced just to deal with me, heck the engineer part has already been reduced a good bit.

So I strongly disagree that the game is "disrespectful" of your time, if you want a game that you can play say an hour a day and then get everything with a few days, there are plenty of those games out there, go play them, but if you do not want to play them, maybe consider that if you make Elite into one of those kinds of games you don't want to play Elite either?

As someone who has played since launch, I can tell you the grinding right now is not really bad especially compared to many mmo's out there that people gladly grind despite having work.
 
Btw, why do some people really say that "doing other things than Elite is more productive". Its a game. Your wasting your time by definition. Its not as if giving you 10x more credits per hour or something suddenly makes you playing ED cure cancer or anything...
 
basiccly if one doesn't have a job or no responsiblitys or a life...then they will excel at this spreadsheet with occasional flying thrown in simulator:D
I know plenty of people with jobs that play Elite, happily so, so that simply isn't true, it comes down to expectations, and it certainly fills their expectations, but yeah if your expectation is "I'm going to get this big ship within a few hours" then yeah...you will be disappointed, and frankly rightly so, ships would not feel worth anything if they were that easy to get.
 
Just....remember, this is also comes down to people's expectations, big ships are NOT endgame, but means to do something you want to do.
I don't have that much time myself, but I certainly do not want the game to be reduced just to deal with me, heck the engineer part has already been reduced a good bit.

So I strongly disagree that the game is "disrespectful" of your time, if you want a game that you can play say an hour a day and then get everything with a few days, there are plenty of those games out there, go play them, but if you do not want to play them, maybe consider that if you make Elite into one of those kinds of games you don't want to play Elite either?

As someone who has played since launch, I can tell you the grinding right now is not really bad especially compared to many mmo's out there that people gladly grind despite having work.

Valid points, but you assume too much. I'm not an endgame grinder. I may be elite rated and have spent 1k hrs+ flying, but I still rock in a Diamondback Scout and a Cobra.

I don't mean I want the game to reward me with ingame ships and items. That's not "respecting my time" (though it might be, for some).
 
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