ELITE on LINUX Please.

I seem to recall someone mentioning somewhere that they ran elite on linux with no issues through wine or such perhaps? that said I gather that was pre horizon? and the DX11 requirement may make it a bit tricky.

That said, I am totally expecting that when the Vulkan version of the game is released there will be released a Linux version of it, that said I don't think anyone has forgotten linux, as much as they are going for the largest group of players first, rightly so, the amount of linux players is likely going to be even less then mac.

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I may have missed something or Steam might show me something different, but I see no information regarding Linux on that page...
Click "OS version" it will unfold and at bottom you'll see the linux notes, very...very limited who uses linux in a gaming setup, driver support for a lot of peripherals aren't there as well.
 
The problem with all this is that it's a self-fulfilling prophesy.

People don't buy games on Linux because the games they want are not available.
Games companies don't make AAA games on Linux because people don't buy them.

Catch 22
 
Here we go again! This is all down to numbers. If there are enough players then any games company wouldn't hesitate to put out a title on Linux. More specifically, how many Linux players are out there and of that number how many would buy ED? Reply with concrete numbers please.
 
Here we go again! This is all down to numbers. If there are enough players then any games company wouldn't hesitate to put out a title on Linux. More specifically, how many Linux players are out there and of that number how many would buy ED? Reply with concrete numbers please.

Put me down for one, and my partner for another, so there's 2
 
The problem with all this is that it's a self-fulfilling prophesy.

People don't buy games on Linux because the games they want are not available.
Games companies don't make AAA games on Linux because people don't buy them.

Catch 22
Well likely something that will change over time.

I mean windows 10 is getting native linux support...bash and user mode is the plan right now, but from my understanding eventually windows 10 will be able to run linux stuff natively.

Even windows 10 in itself is quite a step towards a more linux like approach then previous windows.
And linux is slowly working towards an ease of use/desktop like windows.

Personally a merge of those two in windows 10 could be kinda amazing.
Granted linux on its own will likely not get access to windows directx and all those things or at least not in same manner but with vulkan on its way, it might not really be that big problem.
So we might end up with two big OS, the paid for windows 10, and the free linux, I can see quite a few people migrate towards linux, but I think windows will have nothing to worry about for a while yet.
 
Well likely something that will change over time.

I mean windows 10 is getting native linux support...bash and user mode is the plan right now, but from my understanding eventually windows 10 will be able to run linux stuff natively.

Even windows 10 in itself is quite a step towards a more linux like approach then previous windows.
And linux is slowly working towards an ease of use/desktop like windows.

Personally a merge of those two in windows 10 could be kinda amazing.
Granted linux on its own will likely not get access to windows directx and all those things or at least not in same manner but with vulkan on its way, it might not really be that big problem.
So we might end up with two big OS, the paid for windows 10, and the free linux, I can see quite a few people migrate towards linux, but I think windows will have nothing to worry about for a while yet.
In my opinion, Microsoft "new" trend to be Linux friendly it's the same old EEE (embrace, extend and extinguish).
 
Just plug a current Linux Mint USB key or DVD into any computer. 95% of all machines will run right out of the box with all hardware supported.

Windows 7 install on my high-powered modern computer took more than 3 hours (all updates, drivers and basic software tools) and would not have been easily done by a non-technical person (network card not supported by stock Windows 7) with about a dozen reboots. Linux Mint install took 35 minutes, with two reboots.

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I may have missed something or Steam might show me something different, but I see no information regarding Linux on that page...

I will have to give Mint a try... 3 Hours for W7 shows lack of preparation on your part (I assume you knew there would be service packs to install, not meant as a nasty comment) and a lack of updated install distro's from Microsoft which is where Linux wins by having the latest updates included in the initial download. I should imagine it's a rather different story if you install V1.0 of mint and upgrade from there,

Now back when Ubuntu was the flavour of the month distro if you tried to do upgrades you could end up in a world of hurt - this again is another barrier to entry - people have memories and do not like to revisit old ones that are bad. Maybe things have changed but it's only an OS, the software availability is what makes an OS worth having and while the overwhelming majority of productive software is not on Linux it will sadly remain in the background doing it's thing... like running the internet! :D
 
Not really a solution, and I know you can have a dual boot computer, but I use an Icy dock on my PC. I have windows 8 on one SSD, Windows 10 on another, Ubuntu on a third and my data on another. They just plug in to the dock like cartridges. I put in the one I want for whatever operating system I need. You can also use that method for letting the kids have their own SSD, so they don't mess up your settings and other stuff. SSDs are very cheap now. You only need 120gig because your data is elsewhere.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Icy-Dock-...597547?hash=item1c6382c02b:g:ys8AAOSwu1VW7BD1
 
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In my opinion, Microsoft "new" trend to be Linux friendly it's the same old EEE (embrace, extend and extinguish).
I can't imagine that happening with Linux, at least not as far as windows costs money where linux does not, linux is way way way too widely used (though yes not amongst gamers), and linux has so, so so many uses and is used professionally in a way that windows could never never hope to eclipse, let alone linux's customization possibilities, customization and everything. Yeah, Linux isn't going to lose out anywhere, however, I think Microsoft is using it to bite in to Mac, the amount of professionel and other tools and programs for linux yeah....Makes a good bit of sense to try to nab Mac people that way, but yeah linux I think will be nearly untouchable.

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Not really a solution, and I know you can have a dual boot computer, but I use an Icy dock on my PC. I have windows 8 on one SSD, Windows 10 on another, Ubuntu on a third and my data on another. They just plug in to the dock like cartridges. I put in the one I want for whatever operating system I need. You can also use that method for letting the kids have their own SSD, so they don't mess up your settings and other stuff. SSDs are very cheap now. You only need 120gig because your data is elsewhere.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Icy-Dock-...597547?hash=item1c6382c02b:g:ys8AAOSwu1VW7BD1
Interesting though a bit overkill if you ask me, such partitioning and destribution of disks can be done software wise with all of them just in a normal case.
 
Here we go again! This is all down to numbers. If there are enough players then any games company wouldn't hesitate to put out a title on Linux. More specifically, how many Linux players are out there and of that number how many would buy ED? Reply with concrete numbers please.

I bought ED a few months ago, knowing it doesn't work on Linux via Wine or natively. Mark me down, too.
 
tl;dr yeah, I know it's a little like tilting at windmills, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't try.

Here we go again!
By this point, I think the honourable Cmdr can concede that Linux users are nothing if not tenacious.

This is all down to numbers. If there are enough players then any games company wouldn't hesitate to put out a title on Linux.
I actually have no doubt that Frontier will eventually support Linux (because deep down, despite my better judgment I live in hope of these sorts of things (and if they are going to open up the server at the end of the game's lifecycle, then they will need a client to go with it)), and while I know that these threads (three of them I think I am subscribed to now) are like the dark lich lords of feature requests, constantly raising their necro heads, keeping them periodically in view on the forums here does let the Producers know that at least some people are interested.

Is it enough people to make it financially viable!? Not my call, that's a business decision (and looking at the Steam Linux sales numbers, probably not viable right now). In this case all I can do is agitate a bit and try to get noticed in the right way, I cannot demand anything, I'm not going to petition FD for a client, I don't know all of the technical challenges involved with moving Cobra to Linux, but I will argue that Linux isn't going away and is growing on the desktop (albeit slower than many of us would like) and being involved earlier pays bigger dividends down the road.

How many Linux players are out there and of that number how many would buy ED? Reply with concrete numbers please.

But to the crux of your message, I have three accounts and if that was the only way to get a native Linux client, I'd re-purchase all of them, but people responding to that message are just a percentage of a percentage, the numbers add up to next to nothing.

Does the collective gloomy outlook for Linux on the desktop and for gaming in particular mean we shouldn't try though? I say "no it shouldn't", and while in my view, making demands of Frontier is highly counterproductive, keeping the issue at least somewhat on their radar isn't necessarily a bad thing.

DX11 hits WINE this year. I'll be testing it out, although I will keep a windows partition around for the inevitable update X breaks component Y problems that seem to bubble up every time time I try to use it (for reasons best known only to the spirit of Ada Lovelace, me and WINE always seem to clash). I expect that Frontier will be able to ascertain when the client is installed under WINE and gauge if the uptake is enough to justify a native client, or if they should strike a deal with Codeweavers and have a non moving target to aim for in Crossover.

I'll also offer up this to try and explain that I know this is a long game, http://www.cio.com/article/3053507/linux/linus-torvalds-still-wants-linux-to-take-over-the-desktop.html. Like many respondents to these threads, I've been involved with Linux for decades now, nothing changes overnight and from my observations, only gentle persuasion and demonstrations of capability in the OS seem to make the changes happen.

So roll on dx11 in WINE and roll on over at "the other game" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/star-citizen-for-linux-is-being-held-up-by-crytek.5176 where if they solve some of their technical challenges, the landscape for Elite is likely to be reassessed.
 
I keep my OSs on SSDs. SSDs are very cheap now and fast. I have 4 different ones: Ubuntu Linux, Win 10, Win 8 and Win XP. I use a SSD dock on my computer, so I put in whichever OS I want before switching on. All the applications that only work on particular OSs are on the same SSD as the OS. I have other SSDs with data on, which means my whole system is modular and I can access my data whichever OS I use. It's like having 4 PCs in one. This way is also good if you have more than one user on the same PC. Give your kids their own SSD and there's no chance of them messing up your stuff.

You can buy recycled Windows 8 keys quite cheap on Ebay. They come with instructions how to download and install from the MS website. MS allows that.

http://www.icydock.com/goods.php?id=196
 
It boils down to money. Is there a large enough market to profitably fund a conversion to Linux and pay for it's ongoing maintenance? I think you already have the answer. No.

It may one day become commercially viable, but I would think a PS4 conversion would be far more lucrative platform to develop next for Frontier.

Don't give up hope, but be realistic - it may never happen.
 
Now that I'm fully invested in a HTC Vive and VR, a Linux version becomes more problematic.

There's no doubt that a Linux variant would be more efficient, but it has to be able to run VR as well.
 
Now that I'm fully invested in a HTC Vive and VR, a Linux version becomes more problematic.

There's no doubt that a Linux variant would be more efficient, but it has to be able to run VR as well.

HTC Vive support for Linux is coming, there's unofficial hack already to get it running (it uses OpenVR libs anyway).
 
It boils down to money. Is there a large enough market to profitably fund a conversion to Linux and pay for it's ongoing maintenance? I think you already have the answer. No.

Well-designed software is ported easily. Only the integration tests would have to be done. Which is not that time-intensive.
However, given Frontier's track record, the task of proper developing multi-plattform software may be to difficult to achieve.

It may one day become commercially viable, but I would think a PS4 conversion would be far more lucrative platform to develop next for Frontier.

Nope. Porting to the PS4 is harder and only a few people even bother with consoles nowadays. Out of those, only few people would play Elite on a console because it isn't a console genre. So it isn't commercially viable.

Fact remains: Almost all software developed runs on all major operating systems for obvious reasons. With the exception of the gaming market, which is vastly outdated in terms of technology (they have trouble with running native software, scaling out to multiple cores, gpus, ram, monitors etc.).
 
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