General / Off-Topic Elite: Passover

[CMDR Heydan Seegil]

perhaps we should have enacted the passover, and went to Eravate and Slayed the newbie lambs as a reminder of pharoahs stubborness lol

If we were to enact the Passover then we would need to free slaves from the Imperial systems. I was going to make my holo-me look like Moses and do that commanding then to "Let my people go." but Holo-me doesn't allow for the hair. I'm still down to do this if anyone wants to get together to free some slaves for Passover. We have until monday night if we want to free slaves for Passover.

 

[Iskariot]

Frontier Releases The Commanders 2.3 on Passover? Is this a mere coincidence? I think not. MOSES!

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LET THEM BE FREE!!!!!

Elite is a scifi universe.
Not a fantasy universe.
I don't think there's a Gandalf in the game.

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Considering that this game encourages us to break about 7 of the 10 commandments; it looks like we are condemned to spend eternity grinding away in the never ending darkness.

Don't worry the invisible magician of the ten commandments loved massacres, and slavery in general.
You just had to massacre, and enslave the right people. We're good.

 

[CMDR Heydan Seegil]

Elite is a scifi universe.
Not a fantasy universe.
I don't think there's a Gandalf in the game.

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Don't worry the invisible magician of the ten commandments loved massacres, and slavery in general.
You just had to massacre, and enslave the right people. We're good.

First, it doesn't have to be fantasy just pick up literally any Dan Simmons novel, he does a good job at blurring that line. So does Star Wars for that matter. Also there is no proof for or against the belief in g-d, so both side are fanatically disillusioned (atheist and non-atheist). So that statement would be just down right nasty except that you compared Moses to Gandolf which is pretty legit even if Moses had more power temporarily granted to him.

Second, I don't think my g-d is cool with slavery in the way that it is outlined in Elite. Leviticus does review slavery laws, but it outlines that you having to pay them an allowance, keep them within the same exact living standards as yourself, provide days off, provide a paid vacation, cannot harm them or order them to conduct work that might cause them harm, along with living accommodation after internment and several other things. So it is very different from even Imperial slavery.

I get it isn't your holiday, but it is mine and I dig it. Thanks for attempting to poop on that.

 

[Iskariot]

Also there is no proof for or against the belief in g-d, so both side are fanatically disillusioned (atheist and non-atheist). So that statement would be just down right nasty except that you compared Moses to Gandolf which is pretty legit even if Moses had more power temporarily granted to him

You seem to use the term atheism in a way I do not subscribe to.
I do not believe in gods like I do not believe in smurfs.
(For all you smurfist out there... I am not saying I am absolute sure smurfs do not exist. I just think it is very, very, very, very unlikely.)
As far as certain specific gods are concerned, like for example the christian god I once believed in myself... I think these are internally incoherent human fictions and can therefore not exist.
That is all I am going to say about that here.

Second, I don't think my g-d is cool with slavery in the way that it is outlined in Elite. Leviticus does review slavery laws, but it outlines that you having to pay them an allowance, keep them within the same exact living standards as yourself, provide days off, provide a paid vacation, cannot harm them or order them to conduct work that might cause them harm, along with living accommodation after internment and several other things. So it is very different from even Imperial slavery.

I am sorry to say that you have been mislead by your preachers, like I have been in my youth.
Being an ex-christian, who still owns a small theological library and more bibles than the average city library, I know exactly what you are talking about.
You are talking about Hebrew slaves, but... not all slaves were Hebrew. And that is the big trick.
The bible god has a monstrous attitude towards non-hebrew slaves. The nice form of slavery is only for those who were led from Egypt, the Hebrew man and woman.
The non-hebrews are preferably bought when they are still children and they can be used and abused like property (because they are property!) and they can be beaten and even beaten to death with little consequence provided they don't die immediately.
This is stated explicitly in the Tanakh.

To get the complete picture of slavery as practiced in primitive biblical Israel you will have to refrain from picking and choosing, but read all the pertinent texts about this subject.
And above all: Do NOT trust your preachers. They lie. Most of them learn to lie and obfuscate when they study to become preachers. Believe me, I know.

If you want me to explain in detail with bible references etc. then just ask.
It is a not much trouble for me as I wrote a thesis about the very topic long ago.
I would have to translate parts of it to english, but that isn't too much trouble.

I get it isn't your holiday, but it is mine and I dig it. Thanks for attempting to poop on that.

The factual pooping is done by your own scriptures I am afraid.
The biblegod is a monstrous figment of the primitive stoneage human mind.
I know it sounds harsh, and I really do not want to hurt your feelings, but the christian religion kneels to a very evil, two-faced god.
I know, because that god was my god too, more than 30 years ago.

 

[CMDR Heydan Seegil]

You seem to use the term atheism in a way I do not subscribe to.
I do not believe in gods like I do not believe in smurfs.
(For all you smurfist out there... I am not saying I am absolute sure smurfs do not exist. I just think it is very, very, very, very unlikely.)
As far as certain specific gods are concerned, like for example the christian god I once believed in myself... I think these are internally incoherent human fictions and can therefore not exist.
That is all I am going to say about that here.



I am sorry to say that you have been mislead by your preachers, like I have been in my youth.
Being an ex-christian, who still owns a small theological library and more bibles than the average city library, I know exactly what you are talking about.
You are talking about Hebrew slaves, but... not all slaves were Hebrew. And that is the big trick.
The bible god has a monstrous attitude towards non-hebrew slaves. The nice form of slavery is only for those who were led from Egypt, the Hebrew man and woman.
The non-hebrews are preferably bought when they are still children and they can be used and abused like property (because they are property!) and they can be beaten and even beaten to death with little consequence provided they don't die immediately.
This is stated explicitly in the Tanakh.

To get the complete picture of slavery as practiced in primitive biblical Israel you will have to refrain from picking and choosing, but read all the pertinent texts about this subject.
And above all: Do NOT trust your preachers. They lie. Most of them learn to lie and obfuscate when they study to become preachers. Believe me, I know.

If you want me to explain in detail with bible references etc. then just ask.
It is a not much trouble for me as I wrote a thesis about the very topic long ago.
I would have to translate parts of it to english, but that isn't too much trouble.



The factual pooping is done by your own scriptures I am afraid.
The biblegod is a monstrous figment of the primitive stoneage human mind.
I know it sounds harsh, and I really do not want to hurt your feelings, but the christian religion kneels to a very evil, two-faced god.
I know, because that god was my god too, more than 30 years ago.

Jeez, can we stop with the proselytization? Seriously I get that you don't believe or celebrate the holiday, to each their own you know, but myself and others do and truth be told we really don't care what you think of that. We just like to party and celebrate. Go practice your religion in your own thread and get off this one.

Also you know your applying things you learned from the Christian Bible to the Torah which is pretty different from anything found in the Christian Bible. Unless you read religious Hebrew which is different from normal Hebrew then I doubt you have any actual knowledge of what is in it other than heresy passed on to you by someone else who probably also did not read Hebrew.

 

[Monk]

Was expecting a dig from NMS or NielF about how folks should "Passover" this game until they add content.

Still waiting...

 

[Arry]

Was expecting a dig from NMS or NielF about how folks should "Passover" this game until they add content.

Still waiting...

I was thinking about giving up the game for lent, but chose to avoid planetary landings instead. Just to keep myself closer to god.

 

[Iskariot]

Jeez, can we stop with the proselytization? Seriously I get that you don't believe or celebrate the holiday, to each their own you know, but myself and others do and truth be told we really don't care what you think of that. We just like to party and celebrate. Go practice your religion in your own thread and get off this one.

I don't understand why you are angry.
I merely respond to your post directed to me in which you decided to turn this into a a serious thing and in which you displayed a fundamental, but very common misunderstanding of biblical slavery. Considering my background I felt the need to correct you.
Having been a christian myself I can understand you are upset by the information I gave. Nevertheless it is true, to the letter.

but myself and others do and truth be told we really don't care what you think of that

On a forum one should never pretend top speak for others. Always speak for yourself alone.
You respond to me. I respond to you. That is all.

Go practice your religion in your own thread and get off this one.

Once you start a thread you lose ownership immediately after posting your first post.
All kinds of reactions and opinions can be expected.

Also you know your applying things you learned from the Christian Bible to the Torah which is pretty different from anything found in the Christian Bible. Unless you read religious Hebrew which is different from normal Hebrew then I doubt you have any actual knowledge of what is in it other than heresy passed on to you by someone else who probably also did not read Hebrew.

I hesitate to respond as you previously stated you do not want to hear my opinion.
To be polite I will respond in brief.
You are again mistaken.

1. You refer to the christian bible, but the christian bible includes the old testament with all its god induced horrors for a reason!.
2. Christ himself stated that all the laws should be upheld, which include the awful and barbaric slavery laws.
You cannot eradicate this way that which is uncomfortable to you. Christ himself was a jew by birth and faith. He only used the Hebrew scriptures and he unequivocally reaffirmed their validity until the end of days. I paraphrase, but he said this almost literally.
3. In the new testament Jesus nor the apostles never spoke out against slavery. The opposite is true. On several occasion it was said that slaves should be obedient and submissive and should not try to run away.

I doubt you have any actual knowledge of what is in it other than heresy passed on to you by someone else who probably also did not read Hebrew.

This is the first time I encounter such deep twisted denial of the holy scriptures by a christian.
You can read, can you not? You own at least one bible I suppose?
Just read the scriptures and you will see that everything I said is true.

My offer stands. Do you want me to give you a list of bible verses with explanation as a proof of everything I said?
I can PM you, but I won't do so if this upsets you.

I wish you happy holidays.

 

[CMDR Heydan Seegil]

I was thinking about giving up the game for lent, but chose to avoid planetary landings instead. Just to keep myself closer to god.

Ha! That is great merry lent.

I don't understand why you are angry.
I merely respond to your post directed to me in which you decided to turn this into a a serious thing and in which you displayed a fundamental, but very common misunderstanding of biblical slavery. Considering my background I felt the need to correct you.
Having been a christian myself I can understand you are upset by the information I gave. Nevertheless it is true, to the letter.


On a forum one should never pretend top speak for others. Always speak for yourself alone.
You respond to me. I respond to you. That is all.


Once you start a thread you lose ownership immediately after posting your first post.
All kinds of reactions and opinions can be expected.



I hesitate to respond as you previously stated you do not want to hear my opinion.
To be polite I will respond in brief.
You are again mistaken.

1. You refer to the christian bible, but the christian bible includes the old testament with all its god induced horrors for a reason!.
2. Christ himself stated that all the laws should be upheld, which include the awful and barbaric slavery laws.
You cannot eradicate this way that which is uncomfortable to you. Christ himself was a jew by birth and faith. He only used the Hebrew scriptures and he unequivocally reaffirmed their validity until the end of days. I paraphrase, but he said this almost literally.
3. In the new testament Jesus nor the apostles never spoke out against slavery. The opposite is true. On several occasion it was said that slaves should be obedient and submissive and should not try to run away.



This is the first time I encounter such deep twisted denial of the holy scriptures by a christian.
You can read, can you not? You own at least one bible I suppose?
Just read the scriptures and you will see that everything I said is true.

My offer stands. Do you want me to give you a list of bible verses with explanation as a proof of everything I said?
I can PM you, but I won't do so if this upsets you.

I wish you happy holidays.

All I get from this is that you disagree with Christianity. Nice! (<-- Sarcasim) Christianity is different religion from mine and you came in inflammatory as all hell and still are as you post replies like your so much more righteous because you saw something in another book (someone else's book mind you not even my own) that is considered a misinterpretation of mine (by us), a book that goes so far as to make changes to mine, changes that you would be aware of if you ever read the Torah and changes which you then consider to be mine because it was printed in the Christian bible.

You're just another Troll on the internet! Mazel Tov!

Merry Easter to those that celebrate that holiday I hope it is as fun as my Passover was.

Live Long and Prosper _V

 

[Iskariot]

Ha! That is great merry lent.

All I get from this is that you disagree with Christianity. Nice! (<-- Sarcasim) Christianity is different religion from mine and you came in inflammatory as all hell and still are as you post replies like your so much more righteous because you saw something in another book (someone else's book mind you not even my own) that is considered a misinterpretation of mine (by us), a book that goes so far as to make changes to mine, changes that you would be aware of if you ever read the Torah and changes which you then consider to be mine because it was printed in the Christian bible.

You're just another Troll on the internet! Mazel Tov!

Merry Easter to those that celebrate that holiday I hope it is as fun as my Passover was.

Live Long and Prosper _V

Your verbal aggression is surprising and somehow strangely amusing to me.
You will not be bothered by me ever again.

 

[CMDR Heydan Seegil]

Maybe your right and I was a bit hard on you. It was just the whole, "Don't worry the invisible magician of the ten commandments loved massacres, and slavery in general. You just had to massacre, and enslave the right people. We're good." and then defining our laws by what you read in the Christian Bible that sat with me in the wrong way. If I misunderstood due then it might have been due to the conversation all being written as so without vocal inflection.

If I took it too defensively its just we are a different religion with a different g-d so drawing those comparisons which paint us in a negative light (as in how bad slavery under the Christian g-d is) it comes off as offensive. Especially on a point that the Torah was extremely explicit when it came to it and something which Passover directly deals with. When it comes to slavery both Jews and Gentiles are treated the same and both are to be treated well because we were once slaves in Egypt. So we are to remember that and if we must take on a slave then we are to treat them extremely well with the days off, lack of punishment, vacations, and pay.