General / Off-Topic EU And Great Britain The Brexit.

[Patrick_68000]

It is likely that Germany and France together with Belgium, Luxembourg and several others. Would soon Create a New EU.
One which this Time would straight away and Officially Aim for an Full Federal State of European Nations.
So Rejoice my Frankish Brother. Cause Fate wills it that you will be an European Citizen one way or the other

Don't be rude

 

[Patrick_68000]

Here the new 10-pound sterling polymer note with the image of Jane Austen, which will be in circulation in September

 

[beelbeebub]

I was talking about non-European immigration, of course. But an immigration controls between the EU countries is also necessary to avoid the excess. In London, I believe that there are between 300000 and 400000 French. Imagine if 3 million of French people come to live in London. Not possible. London belongs to the British. I imagine if 3 million of Germans or Spaniards come to live in Paris ... a nightmare

Thank you for clarifying.

I'm pretty sure that we've been over this before, but nonEU migration is not something the EU encourages. Look up the Dublin convention where nonEU migrants can get sent back to the country they first landed in (ahem Italy and Greece in the main). Without it there would be an incentive for those countries to let migrants pass through to France etc illegally and then blocking their deportation back to their soil. Effectively what Turkey does, allow migrants to cross into Europe than refuse to have them back. The EU has tried to broker agreements between members to share the burden more equally. Merkle famously letting several hundred thousand refugees come to Germany, for which she was criticised by the likes of you. Yet if she hadn't they would have been stuck in the countries they had reached unable to go backwards or forwards.

If you think.thr migrant crisis is bad and the EU response muddled then wait until there is no EU response at all to see how bad it can get.

As for EU migration, you raise the prospect of 3million French in the UK, yet somehow despite there being a direct train link between Paris and London for over 20 years and nothing stopping any French citizen living to the UK......only 300,000 have managed to do it? At that rate it will take over 200 years for 3million French to come to the UK, except by then 2.4 million will have been there for over 40 years so could probably be fairly discribed as British by that point.

How fragile must French culture be that a few hundred thousand Spaniards or Germans can threaten the culture of over 65million?

 

[FuzzySpider]

The UK gov apparently admits that leaving Euratom could result in the shutting down of the Hinkley Point project, and that would result in a £22 billion compensation payout.

http://www.politico.eu/pro/brexit-nuclear-hinkley-point-22-billion-pay-out/

 

[Patrick_68000]

The UK gov apparently admits that leaving Euratom could result in the shutting down of the Hinkley Point project, and that would result in a £22 billion compensation payout.

http://www.politico.eu/pro/brexit-nuclear-hinkley-point-22-billion-pay-out/

These European Pressurized Reactor French are really a financial gap for everyone

 

[beelbeebub]

The UK gov apparently admits that leaving Euratom could result in the shutting down of the Hinkley Point project, and that would result in a £22 billion compensation payout.

http://www.politico.eu/pro/brexit-nuclear-hinkley-point-22-billion-pay-out/

Should the worst happen and government incompetence cause the delay or cancellation of out nuclear program a £22bn penalty payment will be the least of our woes.

The UK has 8 nuclear plants accounting for just under 20% of our capacity.

60% of that capacity, about 10% of our total is scheduled for shutdown in the next decade and the remainder by 2035.

A 10% and then shortly 20% gap in our electricity supply, particularly in baseload capacity will play havoc with our power supply and therefore industry.

It would not be hyperbole to talk of 70s style rolling black outs, except now so much more of our infrastructure is dependent on reliable a reliable electricity supply the impact would be magnitudes worse.

 

[Patrick_68000]

2.4 million will have been there for over 40 years so could probably be fairly discribed as British by that point.

A Frenchman who has lives in London since 40 years, will never be a British. He will be a French of origin

 

[beelbeebub]

A Frenchman who has lives in London since 40 years, will never be a British. He will be a French of origin

Wow.....nice try to avoid the point that your argument was typical right wing balls.

We'll if you really want to play that game.

By then over 2 million would have been there over 60 years at which point the majority would be dead and their descendents undoubtedly British by Patrick_68000's logic.

 

[FuzzySpider]

Should the worst happen and government incompetence cause the delay or cancellation of out nuclear program a £22bn penalty payment will be the least of our woes.

The UK has 8 nuclear plants accounting for just under 20% of our capacity.

60% of that capacity, about 10% of our total is scheduled for shutdown in the next decade and the remainder by 2035.

A 10% and then shortly 20% gap in our electricity supply, particularly in baseload capacity will play havoc with our power supply and therefore industry.

It would not be hyperbole to talk of 70s style rolling black outs, except now so much more of our infrastructure is dependent on reliable a reliable electricity supply the impact would be magnitudes worse.

Which all suggests to me that Brexit won't happen as soon as someone sane takes charge.

Anyone in the UK should read this:

http://uk.businessinsider.com/forme...ndled-brexit-in-the-absolute-worst-way-2017-7

http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexi...ivorce-bill-michel-barnier-david-davis-2017-7

This is an absolute joke. If you want Brexit - fine. Have Brexit, but do it properly. Not like this.

 

[Adept]

Wow.....nice try to avoid the point that your argument was typical right wing balls.

We'll if you really want to play that game.

By then over 2 million would have been there over 60 years at which point the majority would be dead and their descendents undoubtedly British by Patrick_68000's logic.

The problem here is that you are talking to a fundamentalist about the cornerstone of their religion. Patrick believes national identities are not only real, but sacred. For some reason, somebody born French can't become Swedish or British, no matter what.

If I moved to France, integrated to the culture fully, spoke fluent French and forgot my native tongue, I'd still never be French to Patrick.

This type of nationalism is not rational, and it seems to colour his opinions about everything.

 

[Minonian]

Here the new 10-pound sterling polymer note with the image of Jane Austen, which will be in circulation in September

http://savepic.net/9515485.jpg

Life is plastic it's fantastic.

 

[Patrick_68000]

and their descendents undoubtedly British

Yes of French origin. You can never say that an person of Asian type is European type. In the same way a person of British type can never be of the Italian type.

When a German comes to France, he is clearly considered as a German. Even if he obtains the French nationality and lives in France. Administratively he is a French, no doubt

 

[AJW]

Yes of French origin. You can never say that an person of Asian type is European type...

Given that nobody can agree where Europe ends and Asia begins, that is a ridiculous statement.

 

[Patrick_68000]

Given that nobody can agree where Europe ends and Asia begins, that is a ridiculous statement.

Here Asia

 

[Patrick_68000]

Given that nobody can agree where Europe ends and Asia begins, that is a ridiculous statement.

Here a satellite view of Asia, if you like the space games

 

[FuzzySpider]

Here Asia

http://savepic.net/9520624.png

Doesn't work. For example included in your Asian area is Azerbaijan, which is part of the council of Europe. Also you've got everything east of the Urals, even though that's still Russia.

It's not easy to be definitive about this.

 

[AJW]

@ Patrick_68000

You really think that distinct 'types' can be found on either side of this arbitrary geographer's convention? That the people Living in 'European' Istanbul are a different 'type' than those living in the 'Asian' half? Or that the inhabitants of Orsk who live on the west bank of the Ural River are a different 'type' from those in the east? Yeah, right....

 

[Patrick_68000]

Doesn't work. For example included in your Asian area is Azerbaijan, which is part of the council of Europe. Also you've got everything east of the Urals, even though that's still Russia.

It's not easy to be definitive about this.

I agree that there are discussions on the limits. But now Asia is represented like this

 

[beelbeebub]

Yes of French origin. You can never say that an person of Asian type is European type. In the same way a person of British type can never be of the Italian type.

When a German comes to France, he is clearly considered as a German. Even if he obtains the French nationality and lives in France. Administratively he is a French, no doubt

So much right here.

Through the history, people like you have used this exact reasoning for atrocities, and here we are in 2017 with people still spouting the same rubbish.

All I have to do to know your claim is so much idiocy is look in the mirror.

I expect you the same people also believe in phrenology and eugenics.

Edit: edited in light of Talrins comments

 

[FuzzySpider]

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...-radioactive-waste-to-eu-without-nuclear-deal

A pattern is emerging. The EU explains what the treaties are and how they are applied. Britain says it wants none of the treaties or conditions (such as ECJ) to apply to it but it wants to retain all of the benefits. The EU says that is impossible. Britain responds with threats.