Naah.
I disagree with Lysander a lot but he's always polite and nice about it. He's no troll.
And he's right; his first link was politico, which is considered reliable.
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Naah.
I disagree with Lysander a lot but he's always polite and nice about it. He's no troll.
And he's right; his first link was politico, which is considered reliable.
Well my only 100% strong opinions are the firearms, everything else I think we can agree on a lot.
I nearly started a thread about this a few times this week but because it was such an obvious big deal and there was no thread, I'd assumed it was too hot a potato and they had all been killed out of the starting gate.
What happened in Spain is inexcusable IMHO. I'm British and Pro-Union. I don't want the UK to break up but respect the right to self determination. If the SNP or Stoke on Trent declared some sort of illegal referendum then fine, let them have it and we can deal with the outcome later.
If the UK government did what happened in Spain then I'd find myself routing for the people trying to break away.
What happened in Spain is inexcusable IMHO. I'm British and Pro-Union. I don't want the UK to break up but respect the right to self determination. If the SNP or Stoke on Trent declared some sort of illegal referendum then fine, let them have it and we can deal with the outcome later.
If the UK government did what happened in Spain then I'd find myself routing for the people trying to break away.
You're hedging the Politico article using wording like proportional force with the YouTube alternative "facts" trolls wording of EU supporting suppression and brutality. That's why I call you a troll. When the lie is dismissed, you defend your stance with another reference that does not use troll arguments like that clown on YouTube.
I don't think he is doing that at all.
He's from the United States. I don't think he really "gets" Europe. And to be fair most people outside of Europe (and even a lot of people in Europe) don't get the place either.
Remember the Ebola scare in West Africa a few years ago? People travelling back from Kenya and Botswana were being quarantined, even though they were thousands of miles from any outbreak. In fact I think people in Spain were far closer to the outbreak than people in Kenya! Do you know how people think "Middle-Eastern" they think of a uniform culture or a few similar countries? They're all very different and it's a vast place. It's like thinking that you speak Latvian because you're sort of in the same place. So a place in Europe is having a problem? A serious problem with voters being beaten up by cops (undeniably happening). What's going on in Europe? Without the context and the knowledge this is a localized problem, and the surplus of bad information out there, his misunderstanding is very understandable.
That's what humans are like. We all do this to an extent, particularly if we've not had the benefit of a particularly affluent girlfriend taking us on weekend city breaks to expand our horizons. *Ahem*
Read his posts more carefully. He is posting the anti-EU narrative that is being peddled by the usual suspects in the more whacky part of the right-wing internet media, but he isn't "pushing" it. He doesn't have an agenda.
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Fuzzy, many people that read the right wing press know what it is. The problem is people that love corbyn don'tr know what he is.
If you don't get it, you reject. You're the bait he's trolling for.
20% of Spain's GDP, justifies the violence for the King
im not entirely familiar with the Catalonia issue or surrounding history... but going from the OP i couldnt help but sense that Freedom is at the heart of it...
for example:
if a employee doesnt wish to work for a employer under their rules they can choose to speak out and advocate for change.... if enough support is garnered and the employer is willing to negotiate.. then a resolution might take place... and everyone continues on alot happier...
however...in the case of a employer unwilling to negotiate... and one who goes to the extreme lengths of whipping his people to get back to work... it is in essence a state of bondage/slavery
leaving the people to either stand against the employer in defiance for the benefit of future employees.. or leave and find another employer leaving the last place of employment in the same state
so to put this into context with the situation in Catalonia .... people are not happy about the government, and the way the country is run... they have now a choice of standing against the government or leaving the country because of the punishments they will receive for speaking against the way in which the Government is running the country
It seems the Catalonia issue borders on tyranny...where its freedoms of speech are being undermined and the peoples voice is being suppressed with violence from the government elected to serve its people...
correct me if im wrong!!
for example:
if a employee doesnt wish to work for a employer under their rules they can choose to speak out and advocate for change.... if enough support is garnered and the employer is willing to negotiate.. then a resolution might take place... and everyone continues on alot happier...
however...in the case of a employer unwilling to negotiate... and one who goes to the extreme lengths of whipping his people to get back to work... it is in essence a state of bondage/slavery
leaving the people to either stand against the employer in defiance for the benefit of future employees.. or leave and find another employer leaving the last place of employment in the same state
so to put this into context with the situation in Catalonia .... people are not happy about the government, and the way the country is run... they have now a choice of standing against the government or leaving the country because of the punishments they will receive for speaking against the way in which the Government is running the country
It seems the Catalonia issue borders on tyranny...where its freedoms of speech are being undermined and the peoples voice is being suppressed with violence from the government elected to serve its people...
correct me if im wrong!!
This. History. Once you go down the path of the far right, it can 'hang around' for a very, very long-time, and have all manner of seemingly 'out of place' repercussions. I feel (as an outsider to the Spanish situation) the re-action from the Spanish government (and police) is very much the historic footprint of that Franco era, and don't forget the history involved in this issue (re Catalonia independence). Both aspects are going to lead to a very undemocratic situation.
Now what can the EU do? I suspect Spain is going to play hardball, so what can the rest of the EU nations do to make this situation less unpalatable? In the wake of the police violence (against peaceful public) i'd like to see some EU reaction against Spain here, outside of the issue at hand (Catalonia independence), as it hurts all our democracies when this kind of action is not spoken out against.
The EU can not react in any other way than they did. Like I've already made clear, I'm for a sovereign Catalonia. The OP is only here to troll his "alt-right" .
Anyway, there is a very recent example on how Catalonia is supposed to deal with this. Scotland got a legal referendum for independence just a couple years ago. That is how democracy works. Sure, they failed to win the election, as the majority got cold feet for all sorts of reasons. No region, city or village can declare independence just by arranging a local election where almost only their own supporters turn out.
Anyway, there is a very recent example on how Catalonia is supposed to deal with this. Scotland got a legal referendum for independence just a couple years ago. That is how democracy works. Sure, they failed to win the election, as the majority got cold feet for all sorts of reasons. No region, city or village can declare independence just by arranging a local election where almost only their own supporters turn out.
How about if you, Frontier Development, starts deleting obvious national socialist trolling on your forums instead? I don't know why Frontier insists on keeping these deplorables around. This has nothing to do with gaming.
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Boy, you sure do like your political buzz-words, don't you... "alt-right", "deplorable", "national socialist" (and it's clear that by your conflation of two of these terms that you know very little of that which you speak). I would rather see the mods take action against posts that blindly and maliciously accuse people of such things.
I fail to see how Lysander has pushed any kind of agenda here. Let me explain it to you from the perspective of an American outsider - what we see are people assembling peacefully to discuss their dissatisfaction with their position among the Spanish union, and the Spanish police beating the tar out of them because of it. The apparent misuse of force is shocking and condemnable, and Lysander came here to ask questions of people who are perhaps more closely familiar with the topic.
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And here we have democracy at work. The usual left wing tripe labelling anyone with a view other than their own as I’ll informed right wing racist thugs. Your always First to try and stifle freedom of speech and any sort of dialogue that shows the flaws in your blinkered thinking. You espouse a libertarian view point yet the first thing you always do is remove freedom of speech as FREEDOM is The last thing you think those lesser than you deserve.
And this ends now since people cannot act nicely.
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