Jane Turner
Volunteer Moderator
I have heard of two examples of an 18% drop in influence from the system an expansion originated in. Any more examples?
Expansion tax appears to be back
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~15 points here today
~9 points here on the 13th in a system that, as you can see, normally has huge upward pressure...
I don't have anywhere clean enough to get a good read of the size, but 18% total is plausible.
~9 points here on the 13th in a system that, as you can see, normally has huge upward pressure...
I don't have anywhere clean enough to get a good read of the size, but 18% total is plausible.
We had had a 10% downward "correction" on 15 June during the expansion process, then a second hit yesterday following the expansion taking us from 73% to 45.9%. Of course, there are other forces at work muddying the waters - forces that pushed us into this situation in the first place.
Edit: With today's tick, we've recorded large drops in several systems. Either the BGS is still correcting or we're under a systematic attack.
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Jane Turner
Volunteer Moderator
The next thing to test is if the data buff is restored too - though most of ours are invasions so we can test it.
I can confirm the influence drop as well. Dropped from 81% to 65% after the expansion. Small system, no traffic, outskirts of the bubble. Things have changed, because this system was in self perpetual constant expansion, expansion by expansion to all neighboring systems. Now the system will need more attention after every expansion. On the other hand I've got four systems with 80+% of influence, will see how these guys will do.
Edit: Another small faction I support got downed from 82% to 64%. All same as above ^
Edit: Another small faction I support got downed from 82% to 64%. All same as above ^
Seems to be when the Expansion completes.
[Damn, just started a new thread before I noticed this one - here is my post from it]
It looks like FDev introduced an 'expansion tax' sometime between the 9th June update and 20th June. On 11th June (3rd tick after update) we had an expansion complete and influence dropped from 80.1% to 76.1% that day. That might have included a large drop, counterbalanced by the normal-at-the-time big influence increase caused by the botched update, or perhaps the tax had not yet been introduced.
We had 2 more expansions on 21st June. Influence in the systems (expansion completing between 2nd & 3rd tick) went: (A) 74.1%, 71.8%, 57.2%, 55.8% and (B) 62.7%, 60.9%, 57.4%, 54.7%. So a large drop in (A) but nothing beyond a continuation of a trend in (B). Far too few data points for one but, what the hell, here's a hypothesis: the amount of 'tax' depends on how high the faction's influence is. Perhaps there is a cutoff below which no tax is applied; perhaps it is a sliding scale, dropping to barely noticable around 60% or so. More data needed but fortunately (?!) FDev have provided us with a lot of expansions at this time.
It looks like FDev introduced an 'expansion tax' sometime between the 9th June update and 20th June. On 11th June (3rd tick after update) we had an expansion complete and influence dropped from 80.1% to 76.1% that day. That might have included a large drop, counterbalanced by the normal-at-the-time big influence increase caused by the botched update, or perhaps the tax had not yet been introduced.
We had 2 more expansions on 21st June. Influence in the systems (expansion completing between 2nd & 3rd tick) went: (A) 74.1%, 71.8%, 57.2%, 55.8% and (B) 62.7%, 60.9%, 57.4%, 54.7%. So a large drop in (A) but nothing beyond a continuation of a trend in (B). Far too few data points for one but, what the hell, here's a hypothesis: the amount of 'tax' depends on how high the faction's influence is. Perhaps there is a cutoff below which no tax is applied; perhaps it is a sliding scale, dropping to barely noticable around 60% or so. More data needed but fortunately (?!) FDev have provided us with a lot of expansions at this time.
У нашей фракции был статус экспансии, вот данные по падению влияния (каждый тик действующей экспансии): 1-73,25%; 2-70,97%; 3-66,77%; 4-63,4%; 5-60,7%; 6-57,6%; 7-45,45%.
Мы прыгнули на 21 св.л
Так же экспансия была в соседней системе у другой фракции, вот ее данные по падению влияния: 1-93,27%; 2-86,94%; 3-80,2; 4-77,06%; 5-73,57% 6-70,4%; 7-66,1%: 8-53,17%
Они прыгнули на 17св.л
Возник вопрос почему у другой фракции экспансия прошла на 1 тик больше чем у нас и они прыгнули ближе чем мы?
Our faction had the status of expansion, here is the data on the fall of influence (each tick of the current expansion): 1-73,25%; 2-70,97%; 3-66,77%; 4-63,4%; 5-60,7%; 6-57,6%; 7-45,45%.
We jumped to 21 St. l
The same expansion was in the neighboring system of another faction, here is its data on the fall of influence: 1-93,27%; 2-86,94%; 3-80,2; 4-77,06%; 5-73,57% 6-70,4%; 7-66,1%: 8-53,17%
They jumped to 17 with V. l
The question arose why did the other faction expand by 1 tick more than we did and they jumped closer than we did?
Мы прыгнули на 21 св.л
Так же экспансия была в соседней системе у другой фракции, вот ее данные по падению влияния: 1-93,27%; 2-86,94%; 3-80,2; 4-77,06%; 5-73,57% 6-70,4%; 7-66,1%: 8-53,17%
Они прыгнули на 17св.л
Возник вопрос почему у другой фракции экспансия прошла на 1 тик больше чем у нас и они прыгнули ближе чем мы?
Our faction had the status of expansion, here is the data on the fall of influence (each tick of the current expansion): 1-73,25%; 2-70,97%; 3-66,77%; 4-63,4%; 5-60,7%; 6-57,6%; 7-45,45%.
We jumped to 21 St. l
The same expansion was in the neighboring system of another faction, here is its data on the fall of influence: 1-93,27%; 2-86,94%; 3-80,2; 4-77,06%; 5-73,57% 6-70,4%; 7-66,1%: 8-53,17%
They jumped to 17 with V. l
The question arose why did the other faction expand by 1 tick more than we did and they jumped closer than we did?
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Проверено, в последний день экспансии идет резкий обвал влияния в системе инициировавшей экспансию.
It is checked that on the last day of the expansion there is a sharp collapse of influence in the system that initiated the expansion.
Еще вопрос по экспансии.
Во время экспансии в системе инициировавшей ее, появляются различные задания по поддержке экспансии.
Могут они как то влиять на саму экспансию или это просто лор игры из за состояния фракции, и они никакого влияния на экспансию не оказывают?
Another question about expansion.
During expansion on the system that initiated it, there are a variety of tasks in support of the expansion.
Can they somehow affect the expansion itself, or is it just an ENT of the game due to the state of the faction, and they have no effect on the expansion?
Во время экспансии в системе инициировавшей ее, появляются различные задания по поддержке экспансии.
Могут они как то влиять на саму экспансию или это просто лор игры из за состояния фракции, и они никакого влияния на экспансию не оказывают?
Another question about expansion.
During expansion on the system that initiated it, there are a variety of tasks in support of the expansion.
Can they somehow affect the expansion itself, or is it just an ENT of the game due to the state of the faction, and they have no effect on the expansion?
Some people claim that doing the missions will increase your starting level in the new system. That's wrong/irrelevant/more complicated than that.
It may reduce the big loss at the end (tax) but that feature is new so I don't know.
Значит будем пробовать и наблюдать.
Потом напишу результаты своих наблюдений.
So we will try and observe.
Then I will write the results of my observations.
Jane Turner
Volunteer Moderator
In 3.2 we found, by accident that absolutely throwing data at an expanding system [we did it to maintain influence against the daily tax drop] could raise the starting influence in the new system (expansion not invasion of course) from the usual 9.1 to our record 22%. Not tested that again, largely because data is now so woefully ineffective for the BGS, there is no incentive to collect it and we are mostly invading.
Сегодня в нашу систему, в которой уже присутствует 7 фракций, запрыгнула еще одна фракция (не игроки), и теперь нас тут 8 фракций.
Дальность прыжка у этой фракции составила 24,95 с.л.
Мы в шоке, и не знаем чего еще ждать от экспансии.
Today in our system, which already has 7 factions, jumped another faction (not players), and now we have 8 factions here.
The jump range of this fraction was 24.95 s. l.
We are in shock, and do not know what else to expect from the expansion.
Дальность прыжка у этой фракции составила 24,95 с.л.
Мы в шоке, и не знаем чего еще ждать от экспансии.
Today in our system, which already has 7 factions, jumped another faction (not players), and now we have 8 factions here.
The jump range of this fraction was 24.95 s. l.
We are in shock, and do not know what else to expect from the expansion.
Another data point. Expansion completed with a 15.0 % tax.