Exploration - Is it over?

[Allitnil]

I'm starting to feel like the "discovered by" tag was a mistake, it's really eating away at my enjoyment to arrive in some nice little nook of nowhere and see another explorer has peed in the corner already. I can only imagine that it won't be any more fun around the core.

I'm kind of coming round to that point of view. Before they were implemented I was all for them. But now, I find them more of a turn-off than a positive. To put this into perspective, I must have my name on around 15,000 systems so I have tagged more of the galaxy than almost anyone else (not that you'll come across most of them this side of the galaxy )

Sure it is easy to find undiscovered systems even quite close to home. But if you can think of somewhere specific to go then when you get there the chances are you'll find someone else's name on it even if it's a long way away. For me, at least, that takes away a lot of the interest. Sure, even without the discovered by tags, you know that someone else has almost certainly been there but you can at least kid yourself that you've not just travelled 10,000 LY only to find someone selling souvenir T-shirts!

 

[barcode]

Didn't someone from Frontier say that at the rate we're charting the galaxy, we'd map the whole thing in about 150,000 yeas.

 

[Kernyx]

There really should be a tag in the galaxy map for those systems that have already been "discovered".

Maybe 2 tags:
- Fully scanned and
- partially scanned.

The rest would mean no scan at all.

+100 do it! do it now!

 

[EDbubba]

It was a huge mistake to allow these non-sequence objects to be simply filtered on the Galaxy map. I took a quick spin about 2000LY outward from Sol and every neutron star I had "found" had already been discovered, but none of the adjacent systems had been!

It's far too easy to simply make some notes on the galaxy map and jump between them. If you want a challenge, make a point of looking for Earth Like or terraformable worlds, those are truly rare, but they are disgustingly "under-priced" compared to other objects.

 

[Knot2clever]

5000Ly is not exploring, its a day out. If you want to find undiscovered and interesting things you need to go past the sight seers and day trippers.

 

[vjek]

Didn't someone from Frontier say that at the rate we're charting the galaxy, we'd map the whole thing in about 150,000 yeas.

Maybe, but with the current feedback (what's scanned, what's not), we'd never know it.

Solo hackers can travel unlimited distances in one jump without expending any fuel, so exploration is already ruined.

Yep, pretty sad, but true.

 

[simulacrae]

I just made the trek to the Regor Sector ... Thargoid Huntin... and the instant I left "civilized" space was in un-charted systems. I left from low in the empire system. I think the best way to find the un-charted stuff quick is not to leave from the central systems where everyone hangs out - or make a detour up or down (approx 100ly) from the galactic ecliptic (if that is a word).

Cheers

 

[acg515]

I have found a lot of explored systems about 1200 out but I am near nebulae that people were obviously going to be interested in, like Barnard's Loop and the Pleiades, so that's not going to matter. I think if you go down or up and you stay away from points of reference in just straight up black space with no points of reference, no famous stars like Rigel or something that everyone and his brother is going to want to visit, you may start finding points that are undiscovered.

Also want to add that for some people, yes 5000 ly is far out. Not everyone has an Asp that can jump 30 LY in a shot. Some people are exploring in old beat up Sidewinders and Cobras that can only go 10-20 LY at a time. So 5000 ly for them is kind of far actually. In an Asp, you should be able to do 5000 ly in about 170-200 jumps which is like a day of exploring for me if I skip crappy systems. In that Sidewinder that at most can go like what, 10 or 12, that's like 400 jumps at least and if they don't have an ADS and are trying ot use parallax and scanning crap planets and everything as a result, or if they can only put like 2 or 3 hours a day in, 5000 LY can be a lot for them.

 

[CmdrDaymian]

5000Ly is not exploring, its a day out. If you want to find undiscovered and interesting things you need to go past the sight seers and day trippers.

You don't have to go far to find undiscovered systems though. Like I said, I'm only 250ly away from SOL and already found 6 virgin systems in a row.

 

[OxKing]

Solo hackers can travel unlimited distances in one jump without expending any fuel, so exploration is already ruined.

Frontier should detect such things first, then blank out every one that uses such thing on the cartography database and then fix this problem.
Would be the only thing to deal with this problem.

The "discovered by" tag was a failure from the beginning by not reset it at its implementation.
I was mining and trading and so had no chance to discover anything for the first time.
It was not clear that such a thing as this tag would come out eventually and first discoveries are being recorded.

Maybe there will be a second chance sometime to add a "first detailed cartographed by" (or something) to the "first discovered by" tag,
so we get a second wave of exploration started in inhabited space. Maybe when the planetary landing expansion is out.
It would be possible to set the whole thing back and make a Galnet news like: "Cartography Database Desaster - Virus has destroyed all data" out of it.
But this would spawn more rage among the explorers as the whole offline mode canceling did. So i think they don't do it. ^^
(But for me it would be fine do set it back once a year or something. Could be fun all player start swarming out on one date. And you're sure your name is there for another year or so.)

 

[Aussiedroid]

That is sounding very unlucky OP. I am currently on my way back from Sag A and found almost all systems I have visited were not explored yet (even Black Holes etc). The only time in the 3k systems I have covered when there was an explorer tag was when I got into a Nebula or very close to Sag A (then the 'good' bodies have been scanned), but even then there were still many bodies to claim. Out of the 3k systems, I would estimate only 50-70 at most have been explored previously.

Right now I have hit a section far north of the galaxy disc and there are 100s of unexplored Neutron Stars, White Dwarfs and Black Holes. Seems to be more of them than normal systems in this region.

Keep looking mate - you will find more unexplored than explored.

 

[kirkkh]

I like how systems can be undiscovered for "you." Like claiming you've discovered a friends house.

 

[IAM GROOT]

I seem to remember that in the X universe, only the discovered systems showed up, the undiscovered systems had to be found. This could have been a way to go and still could be, no reason why they couldn't have secret systems yet to be charted beyond the known systems.
What do you mean 400 billion systems isn't enough

 

[Gold Member]

Just a bit of a rant.... I am 5k+ ly out from Sol, NOT on a direct path to the core or in a flat horizontal plane from sol.

And I can't find almost ANY non sequence stars or black holes that haven't been discovered.

I'm starting to feel like the "discovered by" tag was a mistake, it's really eating away at my enjoyment to arrive in some nice little nook of nowhere and see another explorer has peed in the corner already. I can only imagine that it won't be any more fun around the core.

And of course, it seems like every explorer out there is named something like bummuncher or worse.

/rant off

I discovered dozens of systems with many earth-likes and life-bearing (including gas giants) UNDER 2000 LY from Fed space. If Sol is south on your galactic view, I was just north east towards the inside of the same spiral arm. I was almost on the same plane with Sol, and a couple of shorts trips above and below on my way out (no more than 30 LY) gave me a LOT of undiscovered systems.

It may be just bad luck in the path you chose.

 

[deckroid]

Just a bit of a rant.... I am 5k+ ly out from Sol, NOT on a direct path to the core or in a flat horizontal plane from sol.

And I can't find almost ANY non sequence stars or black holes that haven't been discovered.

I'm starting to feel like the "discovered by" tag was a mistake, it's really eating away at my enjoyment to arrive in some nice little nook of nowhere and see another explorer has peed in the corner already. I can only imagine that it won't be any more fun around the core.

And of course, it seems like every explorer out there is named something like bummuncher or worse.

/rant off

Rant away to your hearts content. You good? Venting done? 'Kay. Here's my retort:

Where ever you are in the galaxy, go UP or if you are already UP then go DOWN. I can tell you that there are plenty of black holes, weird suns, earth likes and water worlds out there. I am currently playing around a nebula that most folks have gone thru on the way to Sag A, but I still found a system with 1 black hole and 4 stars. Then next system DOWN had 2 earth likes, 1 water world and 1 gas giant with life. It was cool.

Point is, there are still goodies out there. With 400 billion stars, we ain't gonna get them all in the first 6 months.

 

[Zeeman]

I've seen 8 discovered systems between Pand and where I am, which is 35KLy from Sol. Oh, that number includes Sag A*.

You want to stamp your name, make the effort. 5K Ly is a walk up the street....

Z...

 

[Genar-Hofoen]

Deary me...

There are 400 BILLION *puts pinky to lip* stars in the galaxy, of which only a fraction have been "Discovered by"!

Sure, nearby systems and some nebulas will have "Discovered by" tags on 'em.

But the overwhelming majority of stars and planets in the galaxy are there to be discovered - by you!

I went to Sag. A* and beyond, explored a previously unexplored nebula (I don't know how many nebulas there are in the galaxy, but there must be 100's at least), and discovered 17 earth like planets in that jaunt.

Complaining someone already has their tag on a system, is like complaining someone's already discovered Mount Everest, or the North/South Pole, or....

This is just simply a non-issue.

 

[Zulu Romeo]

To put things into perspective, it is estimated that of all the stars that are practically visitable at this time (i.e.almost all of them, a few exceptions being those extremely far from the galactic disc, and those walled-off ones), only about a thousandth of a percent has already been visited by somebody. In other words, approximately one hundred thousandth of the Galaxy. Still about 999,999 thousandths to go.

Do not ever let these things put you off exploring. It's all waiting for you.

It is not the end of exploring, not even the beginning of the end. Heck, we've not even reached the beginning of the beginning, let alone the end of the beginning.

 

[Fendalton]

I will never forget the first time I looked at the Galaxy map to see the system I was in was discovered by "Kony Hawk: Pro Slaver"

In regards to the solo hackers, surely when you log off your location is stored on a server, and when you log on if it doesn't match a flag must appear somewhere?

 

[Whiterose]

lol, 5KLy is like hoing out of your back door into your garden. You need to be at least 20KLy away to find undiscovered's.