Explorations Data Sale Loss.

Why FD refund FDL bought yesterday? They didn't use it then? They didn't have money or what? Thats the main problem I see.

What problem? FDev or (in-game) the NPCs decided to give players who bought the FDL a rebate. Just like frequent flyer miles or customer loyalty points from your local car dealership. It was their choice.

You sold some bananas (data) yesterday. Bananas cost $1 yesterday. Today Bananas cost $2. Everyone (NPCs) that bought a banana from you yesterday isn't going to give you an extra dollar for yesterday's banana just because the price went up today.
 
What problem? FDev or (in-game) the NPCs decided to give players who bought the FDL a rebate. Just like frequent flyer miles or customer loyalty points from your local car dealership. It was their choice.

You sold some bananas (data) yesterday. Bananas cost $1 yesterday. Today Bananas cost $2. Everyone (NPCs) that bought a banana from you yesterday isn't going to give you an extra dollar for yesterday's banana just because the price went up today.
The price go up due to the market changes. But here is different. Devs knew what are they going to do. Explo data is collected for weeks and weeks. Its not bananas 0,01$ bought 1$ sold.
It was intended to rise. I feel like I was cheated and it is an investigation issue in real life.
 
My decision to explore the core and return a week after 1.2 hit has got to be the best decision I've ever made (in game). :D

I was the same........was going to rush back before 1.2, as I was worried about Wings and the 500ly bubble, then I thought, no, this was lacking in bravery....so stayed out............heading back now........fortune favours the brave.......even if it is just a game. :)
 
I'm headed back into human space after a 16,000ly jaunt mapping stars. This was some pretty good news to come home to. :)

How are the pirates these days? I plan to do a scoop-and-boot run in. Hopefully they haven't gotten more aggressive.

They have.

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That clean save idea is looking better all the time... :)
 
Real explorers take in on the chin, cos we're hard!

Ah Harrrrrr!

Yup, got burnt to crispy things by a Neutron star some week or so ago.............found myself back at a station after 2 weeks on the road scanning....bummer......within a couple hours, was 2000ly out and not even starting to scan...........Exploring is fun...........credits are a bonus........ :)
 
NPC interdictions are trivially easy to avoid. Just drop out of SC and you are in a new instance and the NPCs you were worried about no longer even exist!

I know this is a side issue and not germane to the original topic, but for the sake of reducing misinformation: That is not true. An NPC in supercruise may in fact follow your wake into normal space. I was chased by a Python in that fashion recently. Fortunately it was a bounty hunter and let me go.
 
No. It's a bitt different.
Boss: Jones. We made a mistake in sallary during the last year. Financial department will recieve compesation
Jones: And exploration department? Seems we have the same mistake.
Boss: Sorry guys, for you - higher salary since the next week.

Doesnt sound like it to me, sounds more like the raise example.
And to be honest, if we are going to use the business raise anaolgy, when have the low level earners ever gotten the same % raise as the Upper Management.
A 2% increase for the call centre reps and a 5% increase for the Centre manager sounds normal.

Anyway oppertunity costs cannot be applied retroactively as at the time you had a decision
Sell you data for X or Dont sell your data for X
You decided to sell your data for x.

If you sold your house then the market pushed house prices up, you can think, darn it, if only I had waited, but you dont go to the person who bought you house and say, hey since the market has increase the value of the house I sold you, I want more money.
You made the decision based on the market at the moment.
That is all you can do, unless you would be happy holding all your data, risking losing it all, and hoping there would be a increase in data price or a community goal that offered more for the data.
 
For those that are saying why are you complaining future exploration will get more money what have you lost.

I sold ~21Million not 2 days ago which took me up to Ranger. Now the next rank up is Pioneer at 30Million.

Yesterday I needed to find 9 Million to "rank up", now with the extra money for exploration and the re-leveling of the ranks Pioneer will be at ~60Million.

So now I need to find 39Million which is twice as much as before. To put it into context they just wiped all of my "progress" towards Pioneer, I've effectively only *just* made Ranger.

I'm fuming and I don't even want to play anymore. I'm not going to rage quit, I like the game too much but I just don't want to play for a while.
 
For those that are saying why are you complaining future exploration will get more money what have you lost.

I sold ~21Million not 2 days ago which took me up to Ranger. Now the next rank up is Pioneer at 30Million.

Yesterday I needed to find 9 Million to "rank up", now with the extra money for exploration and the re-leveling of the ranks Pioneer will be at ~60Million.

So now I need to find 39Million which is twice as much as before. To put it into context they just wiped all of my "progress" towards Pioneer, I've effectively only *just* made Ranger.

I'm fuming and I don't even want to play anymore. I'm not going to rage quit, I like the game too much but I just don't want to play for a while.

Be honest...did you rush home before 1.2 because you were worried about Wings and getting your data home safe?............
 
For those that are saying why are you complaining future exploration will get more money what have you lost.

I sold ~21Million not 2 days ago which took me up to Ranger. Now the next rank up is Pioneer at 30Million.

Yesterday I needed to find 9 Million to "rank up", now with the extra money for exploration and the re-leveling of the ranks Pioneer will be at ~60Million.

So now I need to find 39Million which is twice as much as before. To put it into context they just wiped all of my "progress" towards Pioneer, I've effectively only *just* made Ranger.

I'm fuming and I don't even want to play anymore. I'm not going to rage quit, I like the game too much but I just don't want to play for a while.

Ohh, that stinks. Though, I applaud your adult response to the situation.
 
Be honest...did you rush home before 1.2 because you were worried about Wings and getting your data home safe?............

Yep. I had a massive push to get home, didn't even *look* at the system maps for the last 20000LY or so to try and make it back before 1.2. To put it in context I had a quick look at the 1.2 Beta and I was 3500LY away from Sag A*.
 
For those that are saying why are you complaining future exploration will get more money what have you lost.

I sold ~21Million not 2 days ago which took me up to Ranger. Now the next rank up is Pioneer at 30Million.

Yesterday I needed to find 9 Million to "rank up", now with the extra money for exploration and the re-leveling of the ranks Pioneer will be at ~60Million.

So now I need to find 39Million which is twice as much as before. To put it into context they just wiped all of my "progress" towards Pioneer, I've effectively only *just* made Ranger.

I'm fuming and I don't even want to play anymore. I'm not going to rage quit, I like the game too much but I just don't want to play for a while.
I think your logic is a little skewed... Michael said this earlier...

The requirements will be increased accordingly, your current ranks will stay the same.

Michael

What is the equation you have used to imply that the threshold for Pioneer is now 60 million credits from what Michael has said above?
All that has happened is a slight increase in exploration data profit. And so therefore, the rank thresholds have been increased. The amount of 'work' or in game hours required to 'rank up' will remain unchanged.
 
For those that are saying why are you complaining future exploration will get more money what have you lost.

I sold ~21Million not 2 days ago which took me up to Ranger. Now the next rank up is Pioneer at 30Million.

Yesterday I needed to find 9 Million to "rank up", now with the extra money for exploration and the re-leveling of the ranks Pioneer will be at ~60Million.

So now I need to find 39Million which is twice as much as before. To put it into context they just wiped all of my "progress" towards Pioneer, I've effectively only *just* made Ranger.

I'm fuming and I don't even want to play anymore. I'm not going to rage quit, I like the game too much but I just don't want to play for a while.

I asked Michael that very question in the release notes. His answer was the archetypal FD so-vague-as-to-be-meaningless post:

OK, thanks. Now what about the amount we already have earned? I am just over pioneer, so let's call that 30M thus far. I need 70M (old prices) to get to Elite. If you don't change the 30M already earned to 60M, I now need 170M in new prices to get to Elite, which is the equivalent of 85M in old prices. So I will have gone backwards ...

Your next level will increase for the new amount.

Michael

I was not around to push the point further. I read this as saying that they have thought about it, but whether they have really solved the problem, or not, is quite another issue.

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I think your logic is a little skewed... Michael said this earlier...



What is the equation you have used to imply that the threshold for Pioneer is now 60 million credits from what Michael has said above?
All that has happened is a slight increase in exploration data profit. And so therefore, the rank thresholds have been increased. The amount of 'work' or in game hours required to 'rank up' will remain unchanged.

Double is not a 'slight increase'. And you have not understood the post. If you have done no exploration, then you are right. If you have already done some exploration, then there is a problem that needs to be resolved.
 
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Yep. I had a massive push to get home, didn't even *look* at the system maps for the last 20000LY or so to try and make it back before 1.2. To put it in context I had a quick look at the 1.2 Beta and I was 3500LY away from Sag A*.

Ok, hear me out........it will sting, but just a little bit and I am on your side............As 1.2 appraoched, I could harldy think of anything but the 500ly bubble and NPC Wings...........I wondered about getting back before hand, but decided to stay out, and "see what happens"............and now, with wings, Civi space has become a lot more "Dangerous" so getting the data home is worth more now......I feel vindicated having been "brave" and staying out....it seems "fair" to me.........
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Now, before you call me a weiner, believe me, I know hwo much this game can be Elite: Painful at times.........I have lost Weeks of data hitting a Neutron star....got nothing but a weird "what am I doing back here" vibe..............here is the clincher, as long as you find Exploring fun...then have a few days off, pack your bags and head back out, becasue at least this side of the game is "profitable" now too..... :)...
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If you Hate exploring and just wanted the Elite badge, then yeah, this sucks............I will never get Elite in trading.........I just cant take it.....lol.
 
Double is not a 'slight increase'. And you have not understood the post.
On the contrary sir, I understand perfectly ;)
What I am saying is that we understood where the thresholds where before the increase. All Michael has said is that they have been increased accordingly. It is being assumed that the rank thresholds have also been doubled when there is no evidence to suggest that this is the case. If so, please elaborate :)
 
On the contrary sir, I understand perfectly ;)
What I am saying is that we understood where the thresholds where before the increase. All Michael has said is that they have been increased accordingly. It is being assumed that the rank thresholds have also been doubled when there is no evidence to suggest that this is the case. If so, please elaborate :)

No, you really do not seem to have got it. This post by Michael:

The requirements will be increased accordingly, your current ranks will stay the same.

Michael

whilst as imprecise and ambiguous as ever, seems to me to say that they have doubled each of the ranking thresholds. If they have doubled the earnings, then that is the only sensible thing for them to do, unless they want to dumb down even further by making it only half the effort to get to Elite. If you do not think the rank thresholds have doubled, then how do you interpret Michael's post? And if they have not doubled, then the amount of effort to get to Elite has just changed on us, which would be a very bad idea - not that FD are immune to implementing those.

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The Requirements have increased for the ranks, however you wont be demoted down if you current score puts you on a lower rank with the rescale.

If that is all that he meant (which I very much doubt, but he is vague and imprecise, so it could be), then the impact of this 'boost' to exploration money is to make it harder to get to Elite, as in the example I quoted to Michael, and the similar one Fastdruid posted above.
 
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He had 21, needed another 9 when he sold his data. Which is just under 33% more of exploration as he had done.

He now need 39. But he'll get there with double money, so that equates to 18.5 in old money. Which is just below 50% of what he had done.

A fair way to deal with this is to set his current level at 42 mil (just the level, not actual credits) so he would still need to explore the same amount as before to reach the next level.

edit: this all asumes the 60 mil is correct, and from what vaguery I can gather of David's words that seems to be the case.

edit2: Judging your next post, you realise all this so sorry if this all sounds patronising :)
No apology necessary sir :)
I could be wrong (and happy to be proved so) but the way I am interpreting this is that the amount of actual hours that need to be put in to achieve a rank increase should, in theory, remain the same based on what we know. So, for example, if we now get double the money for all exploration data then increasing the rank thresholds to double shouldn't really increase the amount of time you would need to spend getting there? If that makes sense? :)
 
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