Expose more info about solo/pg player actions in station info

Disemboweled Ego

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I think there's two very common requests/suggestions/complaints related to BGS - give us more info and make open only. Both are controversial and neither is really too viable, especially in the absolute.

This suggestion weakly addresses both of these, which I think is all that's needed. More a gentle nudge towards open and more info, while allowing for sneaky stuff too.

The simplest implementations of this could just be tallying up all the missions/trade influence done for each faction in solo/pg in a station news item like the bounty/crime reports (either as a percentage or some abstract "influence points" value). Maybe with an extra war report for CZs done in solo/pg.

A more complicated implementation of this could also show the most common mission types for each faction/overall - this could help players find stations/factions where missions they like doing are likely to pop up.

Allowing people to opt-in to this data collection while in open could be an useful feature too.

For it to work perfectly all missions/goods would have to be "tracked" if a player logs into solo with those missions active, but I'm not 100% sure that's even necessary to get the desired effect - mildly inconveniencing solo BGS players to log into open to hand in missions might be enough of a push to get them to consider open more.
 

HappyMoonMonkey

HappyMoonMonkey
I'm interested by the idea but I think that realistically statistics need to be better about all three modes. It's also "easy" to hide in open simply by player factions being based in different geographical regions and playing at different times. Instancing won't happen if the ping between players is too high so there's plenty of opportunity to still act in secret even if not deliberately.
 

T1m0thy001

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It is obviously a good idea the problem is frontier probably wont read this and if they do they wont implement any changes. Their biggest thing was to let the player base figure out BGS which was fine at the start but they have changed so many things so often and said nothing and it becomes rather tedious to run the same check over and over again to see if they adjusted anything. They have no transparency in BGS changes. Also the BGS community is so ignored that most of us hardly find it in ourselves to carry on. The was one of the largest communities and its dieing a rather quick death and yeah frontier could have done more if they cared.
 

Disemboweled Ego

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DrinkyBird said:
Would this be an inconvinience though? "Oh no, you can see things have been done in solo... anyway...." Can't see how this would discourage me from playing in solo.
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Yeah, it's only an inconvenience if you're using solo to hide. It's not a mechanic that would matter for most people, but it would be a reason to encourage people to play in open as there would be an actual (extremely slight) advantage to playing in open if you want to.

The reason I suggested an opt-in was because the extra info would be beneficial even to people not trying to hide their actions regardless of the open/solo thing. It could be used as a means to easily track your own progress too.

I also get the feeling that the common sentiment is that people are logging into solo to "hide" from the brave open-only cmrds and tying these ideas together solves this issue (perceived or otherwise) most of all.
 

Dillon Fallon

Dillon Fallon
DrinkyBird said:
Would this be an inconvinience though? "Oh no, you can see things have been done in solo... anyway...." Can't see how this would discourage me from playing in solo.
And as noted above - this does nothing against the open players that you can't see.
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Think of all the extra salt this would create when players see how many players are working against them in solo (I am assuming that this was the idea as I can't see any other use for that information).

Players will work against you in solo and the BGS was never meant to be a battleground. It certainly doesn't need something that pushes people to go create more spreadsheets.
 

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Dillon Fallon said:
Think of all the extra salt this would create when players see how many players are working against them in solo (I am assuming that this was the idea as I can't see any other use for that information).

Players will work against you in solo and the BGS was never meant to be a battleground. It certainly doesn't need something that pushes people to go create more spreadsheets.
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I think having more information available would actually cut down on the need for spreadsheets to derive that information from how much work your side is doing.
 

Darrack

Darrack
Disemboweled Ego said:
Yeah, it's only an inconvenience if you're using solo to hide. It's not a mechanic that would matter for most people, but it would be a reason to encourage people to play in open as there would be an actual (extremely slight) advantage to playing in open if you want to.

The reason I suggested an opt-in was because the extra info would be beneficial even to people not trying to hide their actions regardless of the open/solo thing. It could be used as a means to easily track your own progress too.

I also get the feeling that the common sentiment is that people are logging into solo to "hide" from the brave open-only cmrds and tying these ideas together solves this issue (perceived or otherwise) most of all.
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Sorry utter rubbish, Solo is a choice to avoid muppets, its not hiding, stop pretending Open is some God like elite mode 😂

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Darrack

Darrack
Ill get this here before it kicks off

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SteveWW57

SteveWW57
Disemboweled Ego said:
I also get the feeling that the common sentiment is that people are logging into solo to "hide" from the brave open-only cmrds and tying these ideas together solves this issue (perceived or otherwise) most of all.
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There are a number of reasons for CMDRs to use solo or PG, including:
The choice is available.
Less crashes and traffic jams.
They do not want to have their gameplay spoilt by negative interactions from others.

You said "common sentiment is that people are logging into solo to "hide" from the brave open-only cmrds".
I would say that common sentiment is that CMDRs avoid open to stop risking getting attacked by cowardly CMDRs in fully engineered murder ships.

I believe that it has been made clear previously, that there will be no change to the three modes. Threads such as this advocating encouragement to more open play are redundant.

Steve 07.
 

Disemboweled Ego

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Darrack said:
Ill get this here before it kicks off

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SteveWW57 said:
There are a number of reasons for CMDRs to use solo or PG, including:
The choice is available.
Less crashes and traffic jams.
They do not want to have their gameplay spoilt by negative interactions from others.
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I feel like I engineered this suggestion in a way to not affect most normal gameplay so it wouldn't touch on any of those subjects so this is just poisoning the well for no reason.
 

Robert Maynard

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Robert Maynard
Disemboweled Ego said:
For it to work perfectly all missions/goods would have to be "tracked" if a player logs into solo with those missions active, but I'm not 100% sure that's even necessary to get the desired effect - mildly inconveniencing solo BGS players to log into open to hand in missions might be enough of a push to get them to consider open more.
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Not all players can log in to Open.

.... and while some players can't accept it, both PvP being completely optional and all players both experiencing and affecting the BGS, Powerplay, etc. is "by design".
 
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