Fairplay proposal to DW2 gankers: attack but don't destroy ships

[Feros-da-Grundig]

In practice, any ability to jump away at all means any competent CMDR can avoid being followed by anyone.
[...]This is fast enough to counter someone who knows exactly what system was jumped to the instant the wake appears (such as in cases where there are only one or two convenient escape destinations, the defender isn't taking measures to conceal the final destination, and the attacker selects the same destination system immediately, if they don't already have it plotted), well before there has been time to scan it.

^This. Some pirates even advocate omitting wake scanner and instead just trying to pre-emptively eyeball the system based on target heading since this is faster and frees a utility slot. But it can be countered by target using false direction until last few moments of high wake FSD charge, then boost in other direction.

And as Morbad says, even this really isn't fast enough.

So I just carry a wake scanner as a lazy way to track commanders who don't know any better.

Also, if in a long jump range ship, having a destination selected that is likely beyond the single jump reach of an attacker is guaranteed escape. I had a commander down to 30% hull use this tactic on me, was a great decision on his/her part since I had the wake scanned and ready to follow in about 6 seconds. Of course, by the time I used gal map to pursue via 2 jumps, said cmdr was long gone. We had a nice (literally, not sarcasm) little DM convo after that.

 

[AP Birdman]

Ganking... What’s the draw there? And why would someone fly thousands of light years just to gank unarmed or lightly armed explorers? If I were to fly thousands of light years from the bubble just to gank some people, I’d probably look back on how much time I spent and feel kind of yucky.

Here's a crazy fact that will blow your mind...
It's fun to play games as the bad guy.

It's not my fault if you take videogames too seriously.
I'm just playing a videogame, you're the one that decides whether my actions are ruining your life or just a minor setback in a videograme where that kind of thing can happen.
The only thing I'm sorry about is that some of you take videogames too seriously. That sucks and I wish you could see that there's more to life than how fake much money you have in a game. And if what I do ruins your fun then don't play. Find another game where your fun can't be ruined by me.

 

[Erasmus Boone]

Here's a crazy fact that will blow your mind...
It's fun to play games as the bad guy.

It's not my fault if you take videogames too seriously.
I'm just playing a videogame, you're the one that decides whether my actions are ruining your life or just a minor setback in a videograme where that kind of thing can happen.
The only thing I'm sorry about is that some of you take videogames too seriously. That sucks and I wish you could see that there's more to life than how fake much money you have in a game. And if what I do ruins your fun then don't play. Find another game where your fun can't be ruined by me.

Dial it back mate you're trying too hard.

 

[Ceitidh]

Here's a crazy fact that will blow your mind...
It's fun to play games as the bad guy.

It's not my fault if you take videogames too seriously.
I'm just playing a videogame, you're the one that decides whether my actions are ruining your life or just a minor setback in a videograme where that kind of thing can happen.
The only thing I'm sorry about is that some of you take videogames too seriously. That sucks and I wish you could see that there's more to life than how fake much money you have in a game. And if what I do ruins your fun then don't play. Find another game where your fun can't be ruined by me.

This forum doesn't generally descend to memes, so I won't indulge. But if there was ever a place for the "Here's that attention you ordered" image, it's here.

 

[voidwalker]

This forum doesn't generally descend to memes, so I won't indulge. But if there was ever a place for the "Here's that attention you ordered" image, it's here.

I didn't see you write anything synonymous with 'wrong' in that reply. Is he?

 

[Mugur]

Today we learned Mugur has never heard of damage falloff. What does he expect the Phantom to do? Not move?

It was just a quick example. And since that hypothetical Cutter does 533 versus 532 m/s and can boost way often, I assume that will be able to fire point blank (maybe even ram) the Phantom. After all, most gankers I encountered were FDLs or Clippers with frags that always tried to also ram me...

Anyway, my point still stands. Don't assume that just because you have some shield and can put 4 pips to sys, you can outrun a ganker, unless you are in a Courier maybe. The opinion that defense is massively overpowered versus weapons is true only for a PvP build, nor for a run of the mill lightweight with A grade shield.

And by the way, I never used frags, especially because you need to be at almost point blank, which never happens in real PvP for more than a fraction of a second (unless it's that stupid fight in which both players, usually in a Cutter or Corvette are shooting each other face to face); in PvE is nice, but you run out of ammo soon...

 

[cargorunner1969]

the trouble is elite dangerous without the danger / gankers / white dwarf stars/ thargoids/ etc is just so much vanilla.

but I do have my own request to the gankers.

a counter proposal if you like....

next time you pick on me, would you mind just holding still in the gunsights for a moment while I try out these hugely modified railguns?

sarcastic? me? no!

 

[Feros-da-Grundig]

Well, I built a Cutter on Coriolis that has 533 m/s boost and can kill your Phantom shields in 4 seconds and the hull in 2 seconds, according to Coriolis (true numbers, comparing to your exact build, using frag cannons engineered). So don't be too sure that you can escape any ganker because you have a shield and some speed. This will mass lock you for supercruise jump and won't let you escape by high wake before killing you.

The trick the phantom would have to use is to also turn instead of boosting in a straight line. It's a tad bit better than the cutter at that, should be able to avoid frags.

Firing one of those heat sinks, the ganker might not even know which way to boost for a moment.

If the ganker manages to down the victims shields, can start toggling silent running for more hidey-hidey. I included an HRP to survive a bit without shields in the worse case.

I never implied it was ungankable but that build I posted is useful for someone who doesn't want to grind. Especially since a lot of ganks are sloppy.

 

[Feros-da-Grundig]

Today we learned Mugur has never heard of damage falloff. What does he expect the Phantom to do? Not move?

Considering many vids I have seen that's exactly what's happening. Running away in straight line against a Cutter masslocking you and being as fast as you

Boy have I got some vids for you! Sometimes they literally don't move. They leave their ship parked on the ground at conflux.

Yet people still insisting it's build not knowlege/skill/practice/whatever that is the dominant factor.

 

[M00ka]

Boy have I got some vids for you! Sometimes they literally don't move. They leave their ship parked on the ground at conflux.

Yet people still insisting it's build not knowlege/skill/practice/whatever that is the dominant factor.

And yet you seem to imply there is 'skill' in shooting a parked ship - your mother must be so proud

 

[AP Birdman]

Dial it back mate you're trying too hard.

Trying to hard at what?

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

And yet you seem to imply there is 'skill' in shooting a parked ship - your mother must be so proud

You'd be surprised! Was once in a furball above some Thargoid site and a Type 6 parked on the ground was talking all sorts of trash about us gankers. Pulled around and smoked him with a wad of plasma on the next pass. He was absolutely livid.

And here's the thing: what kind of idiot out in the middle of the nowhere with all kinds of violence happening all around him stands up and starts hurling insults? [haha]

Same kind of fools that Feros was describing, I think.

 

[Feros-da-Grundig]

And yet you seem to imply there is 'skill' in shooting a parked ship - your mother must be so proud

More skill than dying in a parked ship.

My mother died years ago but thanks for making it personal. SMILEY FACE MAKES IT OK!

 

[Feros-da-Grundig]

And here's the thing: what kind of idiot out in the middle of the nowhere with all kinds of violence happening all around him stands up and starts hurling insults? [haha]

I once pulled a shieldless t-9 after wake scanning his exit from a pro-alliance CG.

I began with a comms message.

His exact response... "Ugh, RPers"

He was roleplaying too, he just didn't know it. His role was "mouthy rando flying a shieldless t-9 in open who didn't notice the corvette scanning every ship leaving the CG station".

Followed of course by the role of "recently re-bought t-9 commander".

 

[Tarman]

This forum doesn't generally descend to memes, so I won't indulge. But if there was ever a place for the "Here's that attention you ordered" image, it's here.

For which one of you?

The post you quoted sounds like the plain truth to me. I don't do it here because I'm too busy being Han Solo, but I played two different types of villain in Urban Dead back in the day (hence the nick); a straight-up 100% dead zombie monster, part of a deadly strike team in of one of THE zombie hordes in the game. We kept the center of the city dead and dark as a haven for our people and ate everything alive.

I also played a super-helpful-in-public harman survivor who on their travels through the city, taught all and sundry with their misguided sense of mercy to NEVER NEVER NEVER SLEEP ALONE.

Know why?


It's fun being the villain. Go ask any actor who plays badguys; nobody forces them, they WANT those roles, ASK for those roles, because it's more fun than Generic Hero #57. My third UD character was a full-on normal survivor, who got the least playtime of the three because he was just boringly nice.

IDK if I'm a weird hybrid player or what, but my time in the forums makes me suspect I'm a PVPer who only does PVE. GL to both DW2 and DG2, at the end of the day you're all pretend spacemen to me. o7

 

[M00ka]

More skill than dying in parked ship.

My mother died years ago but thanks for making it personal. SMILEY FACE MAKES IT OK!

A. How is anyone suppose to know your personal circumstances?

B. If you want to act like a tough guy/ganker, be prepared to accept some barbs thrown back!

 

[AP Birdman]

This forum doesn't generally descend to memes, so I won't indulge. But if there was ever a place for the "Here's that attention you ordered" image, it's here.

What a bizarre response.

 

[Feros-da-Grundig]

A. How is anyone suppose to know your personal circumstances?

B. If you want to act like a tough guy/ganker, be prepared to accept some barbs thrown back!

A. Exactly. I simply refrain from referencing strangers' family members based on their conduct in a video game. You're the one who made an assumption about someone else's circumstances.

B. I did accept it, I simply pointed out how distasteful and personal the comment was. Not accepting it would be reporting the post, or responding in kind with some sort of insult.

By all means, keep trying to justify that remark. Maybe add some more grinning emojis, that should do the trick.

 

[jasonbarron]

I once pulled a shieldless t-9 after wake scanning his exit from a pro-alliance CG.

I began with a comms message.

His exact response... "Ugh, RPers"

He was roleplaying too, he just didn't know it. His role was "mouthy rando flying a shieldless t-9 in open who didn't notice the corvette scanning every ship leaving the CG station".

Followed of course by the role of "recently re-bought t-9 commander".

That's classic.

 

[Y2K]

Ok, you probably aren't running an armored or fast boot fsd. Sacrifice one (Flechettes or Phasing will make your day miserable)

I am guessing you have no more than 3k armor on a full combat build with that sort of jump range.

More than likely you are running one or no MRP as well. So my statement stands.

i have reactive hull fitted & engineered, my shields are @ 9kmj. full MCs, engineered with various secondarys + extra 30% damage synth. my FSD is engineered for extra range ( ive never used armoured or fast boot so no compromise ) + guardian booster - i have 2x engineered module reinforcements. 2 srvs and 16fighters, 6a fuel scoop & 256t fuel tank giving me a range of ~ 1k lyrs without refusing. its also fully fitted for exploration. FSD torps dont worry me, trick em into firing early or out-fly em Gankers failed 5 times already - if they did 1v1 id stay and fight everytime but as soon as i see that 2nd, 3rd and 4th target drop in my 500m/s boost gets me the hell outa dodge!

the only thing i swapped out was 1 shield booster for a heat sink launcher after jumping into a double sun on my way to the conflux.