Fall DLC 2023 Speculation

Idea for a pack of animals from the Granby Zoo

Habitat animals
1. Goefrey's spider monkey

2. black swan

3. alpaca

4. guereza colobus

5. Cape Moose

Show animals
6. chameleon

7. piranha

8. Rainbow Lorikeet

including a new aquatic vivarium
 
Now that you bring this, the thing is that at its current state it could be argued that the game isn't really the greatest zoo game, considering the year each game was released.
Planet Zoo is a wonderful game, no doubt, and the degree of freedom it gives you is unparalleled. It's by far the game that allows to build the most realistic zoos, not only in the building side but also on other areas like quarantines or veterinarians. The models of the animals are great (even the derpiest base game bears), the best we ever had in a zoo sim. In the last DLCs they are even the best animals I've ever seen in any videogame. But isn't that something that should be expected? I mean, the leap of quality of the animal models is as big between PZ (2019) and ZT2 (2004) as it was between ZT2 (2004) and ZT1 (2001).

At the end of the day, in a zoo sim game the animals are (at least) as important as the building and management systems. And the animal roster of PZ is still behind that of any of the ZTs. We had dolphins, sea turtles, sharks and other fish in ZT2, which is something that doesn't feel like it could arrive to PZ. And then ZT1 not only had all sort of marine animals (including invertebrates), but they also had bird houses and bug houses (with no creative freedom at all, but those graphics weren't suited for small animals). PZ has already surpassed the number of species any ZT had, but diversity is as important as quantity. Is it really better having 4 ungulates, 2 dogs and 2 cats (total 8 species) instead of 1 ungulate, 1 dog, 1 cat, 1 cetacean and 1 shark (total 5 species) and 1 uncustomizable bird house?

That's one of the big reasons I think it's important for PZ going for longer support and diversify the animal roster and mechanics. As it is right now, most of what makes Planet Zoo a better zoo sim is just inheritance from Planet Coaster and Frontier's staple building system. But its low-diversity species roster hampers the creative freedom that could be achieved with that great building system. The game calls itself Planet Zoo but right now it fails to reflect the diversity of zoos around the planet, it's more like Province Mamalian Park [forced laughter].

TLDR: As long as PZ keeps without fish 🐟 or birds 🐦, it will fail to surpass what Zoo Tycoon meant to the zoo games community.
(Interestingly, both ZT went for marine animals expansions but with PZ and the WEs it looks birds are by far the most safe bet)

Now, a quick meme to make lighter my wall text:
I totally understand what you are saying, and agree in a lot of ways. Like I said in my post, a “sampling” of a broader variety of habitat species (terrestrial, full aquatic, flying, etc.) would have made me way more content with PZ’s final form (once content ends), than all the “repetitive” large terrestrial species we received in the game. Yeah we’ve got every big cat species in PZ, but how many more creative/diverse habitat building options would we be able to achieve if we would have received even half the amount of total animals in PZ, but far more unique species that use unique mechanics/animations. PZ has over 166 species in it, but how many aviaries, aquariums, petting zoos, etc. can we build that aren’t pretty much empty? Pretty much none. It’s even difficult to build small, “filler” habitats that aren’t overly repetitive on species selection because of PZ’s hyper-focus on terrestrial, mammalian megafauna.

It’s a hard line I’m trying to walk with Frontier’s official support for PZ. Any additional support has and will be great for the game, but I can’t pretend I’m half as “jazzed” for new updates/DLCs as I was back when we weren’t sure what “creative direction” Frontier was going to take with additional support. But I’m not going to ever be overly critical/unhappy with the game, because it’s clear the devs of the game have put a ton of attention into most of the things we’ve received (And we all know that the devs are taking orders from Frontier’s “higher-ups”, who draw the line on what’s “worth” the company’s time/assets/money). And even Frontier’s higher-ups could’ve been a lot more restrictive with what resources went into PZ if they wanted to. Look at how EA handles additional support for their games, the penny-pinching they do to their gaming communities, and the excessively repetitive content they put out for titles. Heck, Frontier could’ve pulled a Zoo Tycoon 3 with PZ’s content and given us 10 subspecies of brown bear and no zebras, but they didn’t. So again, looking back at the past few years of PZ content, things could’ve always been way worse.

This is by far my favorite game and I’ve got to remember that as well. It offers a level customization and piece-by-piece building that isn’t offered in ANY other zoo sim (even if most of PZ’s building mechanics are just pulled from its predecessor Planet Coaster). Plus everything you build can be directly interacted with by the animals, something no other zoo game offers.

I saw Rudi Rennkamel’s latest video about the state of PZ, and I think it almost perfectly sums up my feelings on the game. Can’t say it’s a 10/10 because of the quite large gaps in the animal roster, taxonomically speaking. But it’s still the best thing on the market, by far, when it comes to actual zoo building sims.
 
This right here. I love PZ and am so thankful for it but it will never be the complete zoo game without the addition of aquariums and flying birds. This is disappointing as it seems more and more the case that this is true. I love PZ but it feels more like a building game and less like a zoo game focused on its animals. But even the building can get stagnant after a while without the challenge of something new like aquariums or aviaries. Zoo tycoon (a 20 year old game) took these risks (except zt2 didn’t do aviary birds) and more to give us a more diverse roster.
You are totally right. This year dlcs are being less exciting than last years. We had some awesome inclusions, like deep diving with 1.4 and custom billboards with the 1.5, hot springs with 1.9, and etc. But what we are having this year, is a bit meh for me. Less exciting inclusions and more basic updates. Ya know, I love every animal that was launched in these 2 packs, like we had the Red River Hog, Fossa and the Porcupine in the same year! But i think Planet Zoo needs a breath of fresh air. Maybye a new mechanic or fix or remade one already existing, more exciting updates and just like SanRazo said, it would never feel complete without Flying birds and Aquariums, they are just necessary to the game at this point when we are only receving mammals and 1 or 2 reptiles.
 
I do not think aquariums are neccesary for this game. Small tanks with fish and other aquatic creatures would be awesome, but I doubt they would be released standalone like that and I do not see cetaceans, big sharks etc. that some people expect happening. Aquariums are usually its own thing and I do not think one DLC could do it justice. It would be much better suited for its own game.

Birds on the other hand are a vital part of almost any zoo. I do not understand why it did not happen yet. I would be fine with at least some birds in the WE, does not even has to be its own DLC. Or even more habitat birds - pelicans, ibis, spoonbills, pheasants, geese, guineafowls… anything would be better than nothing at all regaring birds.
 
You all know I'm definitely in the "we need more birds" group! But...did you know that Zoo Tycoon 2 had a total of 6 birds in it - the Secretary Bird and the two exact species of penguin are the only ones we don't have in the game. Granted we have two penguins, and we have the Red Crowned Crane, but also the Emu and Cassowary. Both games had the peafowl, ostrich and flamingo.

Sometimes I feel like we look back at ZT2 and what it offered with rose colored glasses, allowing nostalgia to be overemphasized. Planet Zoo is not any worse off in the bird situation than other zoos games have been. In fact, it's slightly better.

But, I think the reason so many of us want birds so badly is because of how amazing Planet Zoo is otherwise (subjectively speaking of course.) For me, it's the ultimate zoo game at this point. There's never been better. And we want to see this become the absolute best it can possibly be, to be able to create really accurate real life-like zoos. Just in my view, that means that more birds are essential to this. Without them, the game will have still been the best zoo simulator I've ever encountered, but the fact is that I feel like it could have gone one (giant) step further with adding more birds.

Oddly enough I don't feel the same way about marine animals. If we got them, that would be great, but I'm also perfectly content to get something like Planet Aquarium in the future. I realize other people might consider it a must for inclusion in Planet Zoo, so that's just my own point of view and priorities.
 
You all know I'm definitely in the "we need more birds" group! But...did you know that Zoo Tycoon 2 had a total of 6 birds in it - the Secretary Bird and the two exact species of penguin are the only ones we don't have in the game. Granted we have two penguins, and we have the Red Crowned Crane, but also the Emu and Cassowary. Both games had the peafowl, ostrich and flamingo.

Sometimes I feel like we look back at ZT2 and what it offered with rose colored glasses, allowing nostalgia to be overemphasized. Planet Zoo is not any worse off in the bird situation than other zoos games have been. In fact, it's slightly better.

But, I think the reason so many of us want birds so badly is because of how amazing Planet Zoo is otherwise (subjectively speaking of course.) For me, it's the ultimate zoo game at this point. There's never been better. And we want to see this become the absolute best it can possibly be, to be able to create really accurate real life-like zoos. Just in my view, that means that more birds are essential to this. Without them, the game will have still been the best zoo simulator I've ever encountered, but the fact is that I feel like it could have gone one (giant) step further with adding more birds.

Oddly enough I don't feel the same way about marine animals. If we got them, that would be great, but I'm also perfectly content to get something like Planet Aquarium in the future. I realize other people might consider it a must for inclusion in Planet Zoo, so that's just my own point of view and priorities.
Weeell it also had the dodo, elephantbird, killer penguin and proarchaeopteryx, which isnt a bird but just looks like one. So its technically still ahead in the bird department

But yeah i agree, PZ is the best Zoo game ever made, its just not the best it can be :)

I agree, while i would enjoy aquariums, birds are more essential to the standard zoo imo
 
Weeell it also had the dodo, elephantbird, killer penguin and proarchaeopteryx, which isnt a bird but just looks like one. So its technically still ahead in the bird department

But yeah i agree, PZ is the best Zoo game ever made, its just not the best it can be :)

I agree, while i would enjoy aquariums, birds are more essential to the standard zoo imo
oh that's true. I did forget about the extinct animals. I guess I should say that PZ is ahead of ZT2 in terms of realistic zoo birds.
 
You all know I'm definitely in the "we need more birds" group! But...did you know that Zoo Tycoon 2 had a total of 6 birds in it - the Secretary Bird and the two exact species of penguin are the only ones we don't have in the game. Granted we have two penguins, and we have the Red Crowned Crane, but also the Emu and Cassowary. Both games had the peafowl, ostrich and flamingo.

Sometimes I feel like we look back at ZT2 and what it offered with rose colored glasses, allowing nostalgia to be overemphasized. Planet Zoo is not any worse off in the bird situation than other zoos games have been. In fact, it's slightly better.
Another arena Zoo Tycoon 2 really dropped the ball in, but Planet Zoo FIXED was herpes (reptiles and amphibians).

Planet Zoo has truly rectify their representation problem in zoo games - 10 habitat, 20 exhibit, whereas Zoo Tycoon 2 gave us a merger 7 (nile crocodile, Galapagos tortoise, komodo dragon, nile monitor, African spurred tortoise, and the two sea turtles).
 
Funnily enough the dreaded Zoo tycoon 3 had the best bird roster of any zoo game to my knowledge. It had like 30, admittedly alot were just different species of bird "archetypes" like 6 macaws, 3 flamingos and 2 peafowls and so on but also a couple unique ones like roadrunners and quail
The most ironic thing to ever happen in the history of zoo simulation.

I have this reoccurring nightmare that there's VERY wrong causation vs correlation theory at Frontier, where they're like "Right then, no one liked the last zoo game. And what did that game have? Lots of birds! So the more birds you have, the less people like it!"
 
I do not think aquariums are neccesary for this game. Small tanks with fish and other aquatic creatures would be awesome, but I doubt they would be released standalone like that and I do not see cetaceans, big sharks etc. that some people expect happening. Aquariums are usually its own thing and I do not think one DLC could do it justice. It would be much better suited for its own game.

Birds on the other hand are a vital part of almost any zoo. I do not understand why it did not happen yet. I would be fine with at least some birds in the WE, does not even has to be its own DLC. Or even more habitat birds - pelicans, ibis, spoonbills, pheasants, geese, guineafowls… anything would be better than nothing at all regaring birds.
I personally disagree. I think aquariums are just as vital but maybe that’s because every zoo I’ve been too has had them. I personally just don’t think there’s a big enough market for a game of the magnitude of planet zoo to be purely aquarium based in my opinion
 
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