Ships FAS to Python - unsure if I've done the right thing

Justuss

J
Hi all

I'm a Forum's newbie, so please be gentle :)

Today I sold my FAS to upgrade to a trade/combat specced Python. I'm a little underwhelmed. My intention was to have something I could still have fun killing in HRES etc, but could also trade should the desire take me. It does kill effectively (albeit with some overheating issues, but I can take down python's in wings without issue). I've not actually engaged in trading before (aside from Robi runs which I use my Asp explorer for) - I'm actually wondering the wisdom of even engaging in trading and wonder if just continuing Robi runs would continue at a greater return/hour (today for example I got 35,000,000 CR in around 2h30m ish). The FAS just seemed ... well lots more engaging that's for sure.

This is my Python: https://coriolis.io/outfit/python/2...0404326h292f.Iw18eQ==.IwBj4yuUSA==?bn=justPYT
This was the setup of my FAS prior to selling it: https://coriolis.io/outfit/federal_...00024a2d32f32f6c.Iw18cQ==.Aw18cQ==?bn=justFAS

And if anyone is curious, this is my Asp setup: https://coriolis.io/outfit/asp/15B5...020504402tv62i2f.Iw18WQ==.Aw18WQ==?bn=justASP

The Asp weapons set up is purely defensive ... I usually run away if interdicted.

Oh and I don't generally PvP so it's a PvE focus.

Thanks for any comments, feedback etc in advance!

CMDR Justuss
 

GammaZ

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Well, FAS is dedicated fighter, python is multipurpose, great armed trader for the money, great mission runner, but is not the best option for combat, especially in "multipurpose" loadout.
IMO it is better to make just armed trader out of python (which do not need to be a-rated), and buy either FAS or FDL for combat.
Also, turrets are not great, yes, python is somewhat sluggish, but if you want to fight with it (not just defend yourself) turrets are a bad choice IMO.
 
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James Razor

James Razor
http://coriolis.io/outfit/python/27...18eQ==.IwBhCYy6ehmMcg==?bn=Razor's Kiss MK VI

This is the Multipurpose Fitting i use. And it also is capable of doing RES-Sites quiet nicely. Although its standing power is reduced because of only one SCB. Its killing power with the Burst Turrets alone is allready good enough for most enemies and the Beams add additional punch when subsystem sniping or killing small ships. It runs fairly hot, so u have to watch out to not fry your own systems to the point where u get into trouble because of subsystem damage.

The Pythons strenght thou is not its combat performance, but that fact that i can do combat as well as all other things and not being restricted in any kind. I even took one out to SgrA*. A dedicated Combat Craft like the FAS will beat it in the pure combat role hands down. Also, the Python is not all that agile, one of the reasons why i moved to using turrets on it. They make life a lot easier.

Edit: I have to admit that i am no fan of the Kinetic Weapons in the game, simply because i always run out of Ammo way too soon. This experience is repeating itself all the time when i try Ammo based weapons and just recently did so when i tryed out my new Corvette for RES-Hunting. 100 shots with the PAs just isnt enough.
Thats why most of my builds sooner or later end up with all energy weapons. It just takes me some time to tweek the right composition. And i found the Python with 3 Large Burst Turrests and 2 Gimbaled Medium Beams to be the most effective while keeping the heat manageable.
 
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goemon

goemon
well, it doesn't make sense to trade, if you are not interested in trading ;-)

longrange smuggling does make more, longrange hauling/smuggling in a python takes a whole day - there is no need to trade, if you don#t like to do it.

that said, i personally enjoyed setting up a 50 stops jumprange between the three capitals for my python. i really enjoyed trading all 127 rares ingame in it. i love to fly it for fiddling with the BGS. it is my mobile liviing room.

but it isn't a combat ship like FAS/FDL.

if you fly it in combat, you'll need some basic FAOFF. it does okay.

btw. - i personally think, medium turrets aren't a bad idea on a python, because they help you to get ri of small nimble targets like eagles very fast. but you'll need the large hardpoints dps to get the bigger targets down.
 

Moritz Norman

Moritz Norman
Well, one thing you could do is strip the Python down to a pure trader build and keep your FAS for combat. You could easily afford both. Based on your builds, it would come out to about the same amount of money. I was close to doing this recently, just parking the Python in my home system and taking it for some A-B trading when I got bored of doing combat. I ended up buying an FDL instead since I want to work on my combat rank (still kept the FAS).

I have an armor tank 3 Hammer FAS and it's a flying punch in the face. I don't blame you for missing the FAS.

Regarding Robigo runs, they will still net more money per hour than A-B trading I believe. I've grown tired of them, personally.
 

CMDR Mitch Gant

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Hey :)

In one short sentence: If you except a FAS when flying a Python you'll be disappointed at least.

The Python is a wonderful tank. It's not a fighter, not even a multirole.

If you equip the Python for combat, it's a tank. It needs a very tight speed control and a lot of Flight Assist Off dancing to kill an opponent.

If you're not in for constant dancing, FA-Off, power distributor manipulation you'll have a very hard time in it killing anything. The small ships are way too agile, the large ones will deplete your weapons and give you a whole new level of overshoot.

Your setup is not ideal for a python, either.

Going for PvE harvesting, go with 3 x C3 pulse and 2 x C2 Multi Cannons. This will give you a good time with at least 1 to 2 million credits per MC ammo load.

If you do so, you'll kill everything available in no time. Have fear of wings of 2 and more and two ship types: Fer de Lance and FAS. Both will outmanoeuvre you any time and you're dead without shield cells if you do go in a fight with these below a full shield and if you make the slightest mistake then.

Do NOT go into PvP with the python if you don't have a truck load of SCB with you. You'll get cursed at for being a pilot throwing SCBs at your opponent. Laugh at it, they're just frustrated.

Generally: Get rid of the Turret weapons in the python. It doesn't need it. Learn to use your booster and FA off to do 180s.

Always remember: The python is the best choice for "slow" pilots like me. Everythings down to 50% in speed. Slow motion. Take your time and it's a mighty tank. Try to fly it like a fighter or an assault craft and your're being inefficient at least.

PM me if you see the potential and don't yet get it right.
 
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Justuss

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Thanks for all your replies folks! I've ended up selling all the A rated stuff in my Python and fitting her out as a very defensible trader. She holds 256 tons and can travel 100ly before needing to scoop. All turreted now (large pulse, medium burst) as it really is just for self defence. With the refunded A specs, I repurchased the same FAS fit out I had previously. Tomorrow I shall do a couple of runs in the Python....and pick off some stuff in my FAS...and probably do a Rob run in my Asp :).

Now that I've experienced a large combat multi roll ship I'm wondering what the next step is to be. Corvette, Conda, Cutter? Ugh I dunno! Maybe even an FDL...but then I have to get some experience with fixed weapons, and as you all can see from my fit outs, gimb is a preference for that constant DPS (and lazy me here). Ohhh I did make one change to my Python build; I put a docking computer in heh - the music reminds me fondly of C64 Elite :).

CMDR Justuss.
 

goemon

goemon
Justuss said:
Thanks for all your replies folks! I've ended up selling all the A rated stuff in my Python and fitting her out as a very defensible trader. She holds 256 tons and can travel 100ly before needing to scoop. All turreted now (large pulse, medium burst) as it really is just for self defence. With the refunded A specs, I repurchased the same FAS fit out I had previously. Tomorrow I shall do a couple of runs in the Python....and pick off some stuff in my FAS...and probably do a Rob run in my Asp :).

Now that I've experienced a large combat multi roll ship I'm wondering what the next step is to be. Corvette, Conda, Cutter? Ugh I dunno! Maybe even an FDL...but then I have to get some experience with fixed weapons, and as you all can see from my fit outs, gimb is a preference for that constant DPS (and lazy me here). Ohhh I did make one change to my Python build; I put a docking computer in heh - the music reminds me fondly of C64 Elite :).

CMDR Justuss.
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no need for fixed weapons in a FDL - you can use a gimbal large beam in huge harpoint (or a gimbal huge cannon).

as everybody i fly it since the buff (with a slightly different approach then most pilots by keeping it at 50% optimal thruster mass), and it is really joyfull.

or you go all the way to a corvette, but this will also be more executive style of gameplay then FAS/FDL.
 

LameoveR

LameoveR
goemon said:
as everybody i fly it since the buff
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What the buff all you talking about?

To the OP.
Python is a great fighter even in multirole fit.
That's what i'm flying now. Yep, it's not so "multirole", but you can always change 5A or 6A SCB to Cargohold.
http://coriolis.io/outfit/python/07...n5i37v6242i2f.AwRj4z2UKA==.Aw18eQ==?bn=Python
Done 1.2mil 10 minutes ago in HighRES in ~20 minutes. I'm not so good pilot anyway.
Big ships is a piece of cake you can eat for breakfast, dinner and supper.
But i've been fired out by wing of 2-3 vipers mk4 and was need to retreat.
 
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goemon

goemon
LameoveR said:
What the buff all you talking about?
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fdl buff in 1.5.: 1 class powerplant higher, therefore better heatmanagement (only beaten by DBE now...), and a manouverability buff. luxury ship, as described :) "dumbed down" piloting the ship a bit - in effect it made it worth it for me to fly it even with its jumprange, and i totally enjoy it (i had one before 1.5. which i couldn't bother to fly).
 

Moritz Norman

Moritz Norman
Justuss said:
Thanks for all your replies folks! I've ended up selling all the A rated stuff in my Python and fitting her out as a very defensible trader. She holds 256 tons and can travel 100ly before needing to scoop. All turreted now (large pulse, medium burst) as it really is just for self defence. With the refunded A specs, I repurchased the same FAS fit out I had previously. Tomorrow I shall do a couple of runs in the Python....and pick off some stuff in my FAS...and probably do a Rob run in my Asp :).

Now that I've experienced a large combat multi roll ship I'm wondering what the next step is to be. Corvette, Conda, Cutter? Ugh I dunno! Maybe even an FDL...but then I have to get some experience with fixed weapons, and as you all can see from my fit outs, gimb is a preference for that constant DPS (and lazy me here). Ohhh I did make one change to my Python build; I put a docking computer in heh - the music reminds me fondly of C64 Elite :).

CMDR Justuss.
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The FAS is a great ship to learn fixed on, actually. I did. It really only took a few days.

Right now I do one gimballed beam (top hard point slot) and three Imperial Hammers which are fixed. It's built more for PvP and PowerPlay.

Happy hunting!
 

Cliché

Cliché
It's been a while, but IIRC the Python is more maneuverable with light weight alloys and no HRPs, relying only on shields (PVE). Just my 2-cents.
 

goemon

goemon
Cliché said:
It's been a while, but IIRC the Python is more maneuverable with light weight alloys and no HRPs, relying only on shields (PVE). Just my 2-cents.
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yes, 50% optimal thruster mass :) ... basic FAOFF still required, though. you can get 50% thruster mass with bulkheads and some hrp, too
 

Cdr Voorheez

Cdr Voorheez
Love both the FAS and the FDL as purist combat vessels. Tried combat in a Python and was disappointed. It's great jack of all trades but not really a master of combat.
You have made the right choice CMDR.
 
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5miley

5miley
I think you have more or less have all the bases covered excluding the largest ships
FAS for combat, Asp for long range and the Python for everything else
Maybe gri nding to A rate all your ships followed by purchasing one of the big boys

Currently I am working on an A rated Conda ..... Have 260 million credits, about half of what I need :D
 

Sloan Kettering

Sloan Kettering
Justuss said:
Thanks for all your replies folks! I've ended up selling all the A rated stuff in my Python and fitting her out as a very defensible trader. She holds 256 tons and can travel 100ly before needing to scoop. All turreted now (large pulse, medium burst) as it really is just for self defence. With the refunded A specs, I repurchased the same FAS fit out I had previously. Tomorrow I shall do a couple of runs in the Python....and pick off some stuff in my FAS...and probably do a Rob run in my Asp :).

Now that I've experienced a large combat multi roll ship I'm wondering what the next step is to be. Corvette, Conda, Cutter? Ugh I dunno! Maybe even an FDL...but then I have to get some experience with fixed weapons, and as you all can see from my fit outs, gimb is a preference for that constant DPS (and lazy me here). Ohhh I did make one change to my Python build; I put a docking computer in heh - the music reminds me fondly of C64 Elite :).

CMDR Justuss.
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Time to lose the training wheels and mount big kid weapons. I used to say the same nonsense about time on target as all the other gimbal kiddies until I started using them. It's actually not that hard to aim with your ship in this game. The 25% better dps, invulnerability to chaff, and much better range more than make up for the time on target which isn't that bad.
If you aren't willing to learn to use fix I'd recommend skipping the Lance.
 
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terrycloth

T
My time-on-target with fixed weapons is basically zero. I'm better off firing gimbals at someone using chaff because then I still occasionally hit.
 
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