FDev. Not putting in Player Factions

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I've just been notified that my faction will not be put into game since "There are too many factions already there" which if that was the case we would have at least liked to have heard that earlier and not +6 MONTHS AFTER THE APPLICATION! Does anyone else have this problem?

THe whole thing has long been a charade, funny how 'certain' groups or people get fast tracked... The sad reality is you aint getting anyhwere in this game unless you are sucking up the developers.. The really troubling thing is they actually believe they are shaping the game in response to what the players do..

Come to think of it I've realised that Frontier, the head honchos and 'team' are so sensitive about anything said against them that they've developed a system that positively encourages and rewards people for being sycophants.

Developer engagement with a community is one thing but I wonder how much time these people are actually reading the forums rather than doing their jobs..

Its nay on impossible to have a differing opinion from the 'acceptable' fawning consensus without being harassed by the word police..

Someone is laughing all the way to the bank but meanwhile, the 'game' as limited resources..

[money]

Yeah.. sell us some more cosmetics guys, thats just bloomin awesome..
 
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THe whole thing has long been a charade, funny how 'certain' groups or people get fast tracked... The sad reality is you aint getting anyhwere in this game unless you are sucking up the developers.. The really troubling thing is they actually believe they are shaping the game in response to what the players do..

Come to think of it I've realised that Frontier, the head honchos and 'team' are so sensitive about anything said against them that they've developed a system that positively encourages and rewards people for being sycophants.

Developer engagment with a community is one thing but I wonder how much time these people are actually reading the forums rather than doing their jobs..
Twaddle.
 
THe whole thing has long been a charade, funny how 'certain' groups or people get fast tracked... The sad reality is you aint getting anyhwere in this game unless you are sucking up the developers..

Absolutely not true. Proof? We've never sucked up to any of the developers. Heck, my wing mate and I killed Ed Lewis just the other day on a live stream. And frankly, we are just peachy keen with our progress in the game. :p

You get somewhere in this game by playing it. Full stop.
 
Impressive rhetorical skills, Cosmos. Truly, a man of the age.

I couldn't resist.. Look, I've been here for years and you couldnt be more wrong.. We don't get anywhere in this game by playing it, people get 'somewhere' by flattering the developers, complimenting them, and otherwise positively promoting the game so they sell more copies or its nicely promoted by outside sources.

I do wish to point out, in case its not clear to people given my posts, is that I actually want this game to be great and do well.. But the clowns at Frontier arent on the same wavelength.. And btw I have actually bent over backwards in the past to 'give them the benefit of the doubt'...

Lets not forget, for the 'un chosen ones', the OP for example, they are six months waiting for 'their' faction to be put in game..


But hey, opinions vary, what I've stated is through years of experience and a bitter understanding of the reality..
 
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TIL: I got my fleet by kissing up to the devs on the FDev forums. I mean, you can't accomplish anything otherwise, right? I mean, I've seen some asinine statements in my life but that one takes it to new levels.

Cosmos, all I can say really is that if you believe that, if you truly, honestly believe yourself. Get off the game and get off the forums. This isn't the place for you.
 
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I'm not going to read this anti-pmf garbage, and frankly it's off topic anyways.

On topic: I'd have to agree with fdev that there are too many player factions, and adding more factions will probably off the established player factions/PP groups because they'd have to carve out someone else's territory or add unfavorable gov types/security levels that others have spent hours pushing out. Them telling you 6 months after the application that you can't is messed up though.

There's an ungodly amount of ghost-town factions out there with less than 10 members. Everyone else joins huge factions like EXO, EIC, WoJ (go look at inara and notice the majority of aligned players make up something 20 factions)

Everyone wants to be the leader of a PMF, not many want to be followers. Have you ever thought about joining or aiding an existing one instead?

If not, just keep at it. Take an existing npc minor faction, support it, recruit it, make lore for it, play in open, then have all of your guys open tickets to have the faction renamed.
It'll take time, but so does everything else in this game. Don't take no for an answer if you really don't want to, just be prepared to justify yourself and raise some hell with frontier.
Best of luck
 

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TIL: I got my fleet by kissing up to the devs on the FDev forums. I mean, you can't accomplish anything otherwise, right? I mean, I've seen some asinine statements in my life but that one takes it to new levels.

Cosmos, all I can say really is that if you believe that, if you truly, honestly believe yourself. Get off the game and get off the forums. This isn't the place for you.

"Get off the forums."

Not being funny dude, but Cosmos is doing just fine on the forums.
 
that "because to many faction already there" sounds not like there are already to many player faction in the game, but in the requested location.
but thats just my interpretation of a very unspecific statement.
 
I couldn't resist.. Look, I've been here for years and you couldnt be more wrong.. We don't get anywhere in this game by playing it, people get 'somewhere' by flattering the developers, complimenting them, and otherwise positively promoting the game so they sell more copies or its nicely promoted by outside sources.

I do wish to point out, in case its not clear to people given my posts, is that I actually want this game to be great and do well.. But the clowns at Frontier arent on the same wavelength.. And btw I have actually bent over backwards in the past to 'give them the benefit of the doubt'...

Lets not forget, for the 'un chosen ones', the OP for example, they are six months waiting for 'their' faction to be put in game..


But hey, opinions vary, what I've stated is through years of experience and a bitter understanding of the reality..

Damn you, why did you have to let that cat out of the bag. As you well know, I only every say good things about FD, it is part of my carefully crafted plan. See they have already given me a zillion credits (making me the richest person in ED :D), jumped me to Elite status in all three areas, granted me the title of King in Empire for doing just one mission, same with Federation, you may call me Admiral from now on. And even been promised that if I keep up spreading the good word I will instantly be given maximum rank in Alliance if they bring that in. All for saying a few nice words and you had to go and blow it by sprouting about it in the forums.

Thanks for nothing .....
 
I couldn't resist.. Look, I've been here for years and you couldnt be more wrong.. We don't get anywhere in this game by playing it, people get 'somewhere' by flattering the developers, complimenting them, and otherwise positively promoting the game so they sell more copies or its nicely promoted by outside sources.

I do wish to point out, in case its not clear to people given my posts, is that I actually want this game to be great and do well.. But the clowns at Frontier arent on the same wavelength.. And btw I have actually bent over backwards in the past to 'give them the benefit of the doubt'...

Lets not forget, for the 'un chosen ones', the OP for example, they are six months waiting for 'their' faction to be put in game..


But hey, opinions vary, what I've stated is through years of experience and a bitter understanding of the reality..

This ain't opinion. Your experience doesn't line up with mine or the dozens of others I know. And yeah, I've been here years as well. Don't know what to tell you.
 
Damn you, why did you have to let that cat out of the bag. As you well know, I only every say good things about FD, it is part of my carefully crafted plan. See they have already given me a zillion credits (making me the richest person in ED :D), jumped me to Elite status in all three areas, granted me the title of King in Empire for doing just one mission, same with Federation, you may call me Admiral from now on. And even been promised that if I keep up spreading the good word I will instantly be given maximum rank in Alliance if they bring that in. All for saying a few nice words and you had to go and blow it by sprouting about it in the forums.

Thanks for nothing .....

Have you ever read a book called, 'Manufactured Consent'? Its worth a read but its the same thing going on here..

Developers playing favorites, creating a system where the forum is essential to being apart of the game, and aggressively 'moderating' it.. leads to a few things..

If only our rewards were a result of just playing the game, and everyone was treated equally.. Its just not the case, it never has been, and I seriously doubt it ever will.. I can sort of live with that but what I cant accept is the denial and those who think its just cricket, everything being fair and square.. Its so not I find the apologists and deniers, the 'enablers' to be, well, a bit of a wonder, but not in a good way.. They dont seem to be unintelligent.. Is it a result of being obtuse, Im just not sure these days..

What I'm seeing is the power of flattering those in power, and if we dont.. well, its the dogs life for them..
 
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All OP requested was that, if the implementation of new player factions was indeed put on hold, FD at least had the courtesy to inform applicants in a timely manner about that fact.
Can someone explain how that is unreasonable ?
Whether PMs are stupid or not is completely beside the point here.

Because they will never miss an excuse to hate on a player with an issue.
 
Have you ever read a book called, 'Manufactured Consent'? Its worth a read but its the same thing going on here..

Developers playing favorites, creating a system where the forum is essential to being apart of the game, and aggressively 'moderating' it.. leads to a few things..

If only our rewards were a result of just playing the game, and everyone was treated equally.. Its just not the case, it never has been, and I seriously doubt it ever will.. I can sort of live with that but what I cant accept is the denial and those who think its just cricket, everything being fair and square.. Its so not I find the apologists and deniers, the 'enablers' to be, well, a bit of a wonder, but not in a good way.. They dont seem to be unintelligent.. Is it a result of being obtuse, Im just not sure these days..

What I'm seeing is the power of flattering those in power, and if we dont.. well, its the dogs life for them..

I honestly can't work out if you are talking about the game or the forums, and that kinda scares me!

Please give one example of someone who has been critical of the game being treated badly IN-GAME! It is common knowledge that FD don't do enough to punish those who cheat, are you saying that they only punish those who don't spout the company line in the forums? Now if you are talking about within the forums, that is a different matter. It wouldn't surprise me in the least that the moderators come down heavier on those that don't play the game now, only troll the forums with often baseless accusations or no basis to their 'complaints' (i.e. FD suxs types of threads). Yet this forum still exists and a good percentage of threads aren't complimentary to the game, yet there they are, on the page. Going by your synopsis, these posts should not exist!
 

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This ain't opinion. Your experience doesn't line up with mine or the dozens of others I know. And yeah, I've been here years as well. Don't know what to tell you.

You joined the forum on the 21st of June this year. My birthday as it happens!
 
Alright, lets say something from a non-PMF leader/owner perspective.

I spent about a year playing Elite with only a few friends who played it intermittently. It was... Lonely? I guess that's the best word for it. Of course, I flew in open so there was the occasional player interaction. It was one of these interactions where I heard the often repeated "Go to Hutton Orbital for a free Anaconda." Lucky me, I had the sense to actually look this up before making the trip, so no 0.22Ly trek to disappointment for me.

This was instead how I got my first PMF interaction, with none other than the Hutton Truckers themselves. It was, in fact, how I learned that players could even get factions put into the game. Quite the revelation to someone who had come over from the likes of GTA, CoD and Halo where the idea of having a clan/group in game begins and ends with a logo and a clan tag. Suffice to say, my curiosity got the better of me and I dug deeper.

With rumours of an imminent alien incursion growing (This was just before the first recorded hyperdiction) I thought to myself, "I'll give this a shot" and decided to try and start my own PMF (The ill-fated LRDF). I actually garnered a fair amount of interest, and began preparations but for various reasons it wasn't meant to be. Something I did learn though, owning/running a PMF is hard goddam work. Even before getting it installed within the game. I have since had an immense respect to those who can run even a moderately successful faction.

In the process of setting up a Minor Faction, I was directed towards Inara.cz where I began participating in RP and writing stories for the community. Hell, I even found myself contributing to the site itself, adding a series of guidelines for new people to follow when joining in the RP Forums. Without a doubt, there is no way this would have happened had I just been supporting 'NPC Faction 42b' for kicks.

But I need not stop there.

Being part of the Inara Community kept me playing the game longer than I suspect I would have been otherwise. As a result I met several members of several factions, Ghost Legion, Black Omega, and Newton's Fusiliers to name but a few. Of course, then Inara got its own PMF and the system became my in game home. I ran missions almost exclusively for the faction as my way of thanking the community for welcoming and accepting me.

I also had the misfortune pleasure of meeting up with Phisto. Long story short I found myself being pulled into the feud between NF and Dentons lot. A war that wouldn't be happening if it was simply a case of Denton v 'NPC Faction 78c'. It seems a lot more personal to me that it involves a group of people who I basically consider family at this point. If the NF minor faction wasn't in game, there'd be nothing stopping them just going "Eh, sod it. Let's ditch faction '78c' and go say faction '94t' is ours instead". I agree with Phisto in that aspect. There's nothing quite like arriving at a station with your factions name on it and thinking "I/We earned that".

It's not over either. The system in question is very important to DP, they're still pushing back. I have plenty to do in game now beyond picking a ship, grinding Credits for it, then rinse and repeat. I have a need to keep returning. I have a purpose to what I do.

At the end of the day, if you haven't at least adopted a faction and raised it from the ground up to owning a System, you won't understand the point. It's not a point someone can simply tell you about. You have to experience it for yourself. Yes, that sounds pretentious. But it's also incredibly asinine and ignorant to say PMFs have no purpose. Is the PMF system in game perfect? God no. But neither are Piracy, Bounty Hunting, Exploration, Mining, Passenger Running... You think PMFs should be dropped because they're not doing what you think they should be doing? I say drop any part pf the game anyone says isn't working how they think it should. How much of the game do you think would be left?

Bounty Hunting can be done by jumping in, flying to a Res Site for twenty minutes and returning to base. Exploration can be a case of jump out the bubble, do a few scans, head back, or it can be a several month endeavour. Picked up whenever the CMDR has time.

PMFs? Best you log in weekly at the very least, depending how busy your system is. Unless, of course, you want to rebuild it from 0% every time you log in... PMFs are a commitment requiring effort from all fronts. They require both an in-game presence and maintenance, as well as an out of game representation from the player(s) in question.

PowerPlay is the same, on a larger scale. But they're impersonal for the most part unless you're a lore nut, in which case you might have a figurehead you identify with.

As for this constant rhetoric that you only accomplish anything by sucking up to the Devs? Please give examples. I'm keen to hear them.
 
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