Discussion FDev Response Requested. Player Bounty Service?

[VTSTech]

Can I get an FDev response to this?

It has been suggested/requested to setup a Player Bounty service, Where bounties can be placed on players for various transgressions. Most obviously 'ganking'

I'm capable of making this service and have the resources to do so.

Another player has said "You can't do that! It's harassment"

So I need to know, Is allowing for players to post screenshots of them being killed and having the offending commander killed in response ... harassment?

 

[Para Handy]

Is it April 1st already?

 

[Factabulous]

So I need to know, Is allowing for players to post screenshots of them being killed and having the offending commander killed in response ... harassment?

As has been discussed endlessly before - the first thing that will happen is gankers posting faked pics of them being killed by CMDRs they don't approve of. Which is, ofc, probably harassment. Unless you're assuming all gankers are fine upstanding citizens who would never do such a thing? In which case - we don't need your service anyway

 

[VTSTech]

I'm pretty good at detecting image manipulation ... digital forensics is one of the things I do when I'm not playing Elite. So I'm not sure that would be much of a problem.

 

[VTSTech]

From my brainstorm session in another place...
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So few problems that would need to be solved somehow:

Friends of wanted player killing wanted player and splitting bounty with wanted player....

Wanted player switching to cheaper ships. Intentionally getting killed to profit from bounty with friend.
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Could make it so you have to kill that CMDR in that ship to collect.

Without proof they were flying that ship just prior to engagement/destruction would not release bounty.
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As for friends of wanted player, Could make it so bounty collectors need to establish reputation.

If gankers want to go around killing other gankers and build rep with us That might work

Hmmmm. For that to happen we'd need a lot of bounties.

Maybe 'volunteer/no payout' bounties for noobs who cannot afford to place a bounty... do a few of those to build rep...

 

[Robert Maynard]

Posts containing names of CMDRs for this purpose would fall foul of the "naming and shaming" forum rule.

 

[VTSTech]

I'm not proposing to do it here on the Forum. It would be it's own dedicated site that I would write.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Can I get an FDev response to this?

Probably not.

I mean, you could try sacrificing a chicken and praying to the great old ones. Doubt it would help though.

Where bounties can be placed on players for various transgressions. Most obviously 'ganking'

I'd assume the service would only be available if you were killed illegally by another commander, ie: they got a regular bounty for it. Maybe then you could add your own bounty on top. Otherwise it would be rife for abuse.

I'm capable of making this service and have the resources to do so.

What do you mean? You'd code it for FD? If so, LOL. If you mean you'd like such a service and would partake in hunting down people with player bounties, i'm sure many would.

Problem is, most gankers would dissapear into solo if the heat got too much. Gankers aren't known for their bravery, being the biggest carebears in the game. So perhaps some mechanism to stop you going into PG/solo if you have a player bounty on your head. I'd suggest this should be a thing already. You kill another player in open, you shouldn't be able to dip into PG/solo while you have noteriety and haven't paid the bounty off.

 

[Red Anders]

Can't beat a bit of old meme on a Sunday, so

 

[Agony_Aunt]

I'm not proposing to do it here on the Forum. It would be it's own dedicated site that I would write.

Ah, you mean third party. It would still fall afoul of FD's rules against witch hunting. You could set it up, but you'd never be able to advertise it here. The gankers had (have?) their own list of people who are KOS for combat logging (which is rather funny if you think about it). Pretty sure they have never been allowed to link to it here and it isn't approved of by FD.

You'd also have no way of ensuring anyone setting a bounty paid up. No way to keep the credits in escrow.

 

[VTSTech]

"Harassment

We do not tolerate harassment within our community or our games. This is defined as being insulting to any person via obscene, offensive, hateful or inflammatory comments. This also includes the prolonged, extensive, and/or malicious targeting of an individual or group of individuals through Frontier-owned platforms for the purposes of disruption or agitation."

I'm not suggesting anyone actually communicate anything to the wanted commanders. so i don't see how obscene, insulting or hateful applies here.

As for 'prolonged, extensive or malicious'

The system I'm thinking of would have bounties expire after a set period. So not prolonged.

There would also be a 'bounty status' as 'in progress' to avoid multiple commanders trying to claim the same bounty.

Not sure if this qualifies as 'malicious' thou...

 

[VTSTech]

It would be rather easy to verify if a bounty was paid. Since bounty collectors have to have rep. that would have an account anyway. simply have them tick a box. or if they don't tick that box within 24hrs of bounty expiring, assume bounty was paid.

If someone places a bounty, but doesnt pay -- they then become an unpaid/volunteer bounty for other collectors to build rep with

 

[VTSTech]

Bounties would be paid in tons of Gold or Silver. (Or really any commodity could be used here)

To do escrow would require another player to actually hold stuff. I don't think that'll work. May be some way to use a Fleet Carrier for this purpose...

 

[VTSTech]

Oh hey now here's an idea.

The wanted CMDR name is not revealed except to the collector who accepts the bounty task...

Perhaps that will suffice.

 

[VTSTech]

Witch-hunts / Mob Mentality

We do not allow the use of any of our communications systems to be used for 'witch-hunts' or mob-mentality griefing that leads to targeted harassment. Pursuing such vendettas on our platform(s) or within our games, or attempting to organise such through Frontier channels, is not permitted.


(Note that this criterion relates to a distinct issue, separate from standard player/group conflicts and engagement within our games which is often an inherent aspect of multiplayer gaming.)

Naming and Shaming

The act of publicly naming an individual or group of players for the purpose of ridiculing or making accusations is prohibited. We do not allow such discussions, or any other method of communication deemed to be naming and shaming on Frontier channels.


If you wish to report the conduct of another player, please do so privately using the in-game methods we provide. Alternatively, contact our customer service or forum moderation team for assistance.
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If the wanted CMDR is never named publicly that would address 'Naming and Shaming'

As for Witch Hunts/Mobs .... A single bounty collector isn't a Mob ... But I suppose I don't have a way to enforce a single bounty collector leading a wing and splitting the bounty.

As for being a 'witch hunt' that would seem to imply that the reason for the hunt is fictional. Bounties would be verified so ... it very much wouldn't be 'witch hunting' as it's not really a 'baseless accusation' - there is evidence. There is no search for evidence...

 

[Para Handy]

Since the OP seems serious and isn't "havin a larf".

There already exists a thing called EDRecon which probably does a similar thing.

Release - ED Recon: an EDMC plugin for traders and bounty hunters in Elite: dangerous

ED Recon: a plugin and discord bot for traders, explorers, bounty hunters, and Power Play pilots Watch these showcase videos to see what EDR can do. Read the manual to learn about every features that EDR has to offer. Comprehensive manual You can read about all of EDR's features and...

forums.frontier.co.uk

GitHub - lekeno/edr: ED Recon is an EDMC plugin for Elite Dangerous whose purpose is to provide intel about other commanders and in-game guidance for traders, explorers, bounty-hunters, and powerplay pledges.

ED Recon is an EDMC plugin for Elite Dangerous whose purpose is to provide intel about other commanders and in-game guidance for traders, explorers, bounty-hunters, and powerplay pledges. - lekeno/edr

github.com

" EDR is an EDMC plugin for Elite: Dangerous whose purpose is to warn you about dangerous commanders and help bounty or powerplay hunters to chase them. "

 

[VTSTech]

It all just seems a bit one sided ....

Gankers can just kill players ... at random ... with impunity.

But if any response to that is attempted to be organized at all ... BANNED.

 

[VTSTech]

Hmm. That EDR might work.

It gives players a 'score' based on their 90 day wanted history. There's no payouts thou...

This should really be a thing. It fits in perfectly with the existing gameplay.

But to avoid some edge cases and to take the work load of off a single individual like me it would be much better if FDev implemented this in the game.

Simply when a player kills you how hard would it be to give the option to 'Add Player Bounty' deduct some credits and add that as a reward for the next player to kill them ?