Lol, an entire day for iron? That is fifteen min from the moment you boot your pc. Maybe thinks take so long not because its a grind but because you have stuff left to learn?
FDevs does everything have to be a grind?
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Lol, an entire day for iron? That is fifteen min from the moment you boot your pc. Maybe thinks take so long not because its a grind but because you have stuff left to learn?
You should try it. I see it as more than comparable.
I'm walking around a massive world wondering how they managed to get it all in (just like elite), it is beautiful (just like elite), I've spent over 100 hours and not scratched the surface. There are many different ways of playing it (just like elite).
The only difference is that I didn't feel like it was grinding whilst playing it and the multiplayer element.
Then it is game for you
ED is a sim game. It simulates tons of it's actions to provide Elite experience in dynamic galaxy. Some people don't like it, some people want more of detailed gameplay, and hopefully that's coming.
It is really more about living in ED than achieving. People with specific goals clashes with it. Just let it go and enjoy.
It's not comparable at all mate. Elite has pvp and a persistent world for all players. When you only have single player to worry about, you don't have any balance issues, you don't have any need to level the playing field for all players. That's what grind does, it ensures that all players regardless of their skill level have to pay their dues to become great, and that is why grind is a staple of all games that feature the phenomenon called endgame (which is a bit woolier in application in elite, as there's no level cap). Engineers have come to be the point at which 'endgame' starts in elite.
Trust me this this game would have been dead already without the 'marathon' it requires to become 'great'.
QFT.
Hold on, don't confuse grind with time sink.
Yes, there must be time sinks. Without time sinks, everyone can be Elite with max ranks and a stable of the biggest ships really quickly. That is not desirable from a game design perspective if you want players to keep playing. You might not like it, but its needed. Whether those time sinks are big enough, or perhaps not big enough, is a matter of debate and subjective opinion.
Grind is also to some extent necessary, if by grind you mean performing repetitive tasks. Simply because there is no way in a game like this FD can create enough custom and engaging content to keep giving people new experiences all the time. Once you are a few hundred hours in you will have had the chance to experience already 99% of the game multiple times over. Basically its a complaint largely about how many hours you have spent in the game vs available content.
So, (for example) FD add a new way to get ranks, new content, and then, within a few hours, people have already consumed that, done whatever it is a dozen times over, and are now saying its just more grind. Well, yeah, no doo-doo Sherlock.
Basically, it comes down to you and how you approach it. If you say you want X within Y time, then you push yourself to grind. If you instead say, well, i'd like X at some point, but i refuse to grind for it, instead ill just play the game, then the grind simply disappears.
Give it a try. Trust me, destroying your enjoyment of the game because of an imagined need to get a Cutter/Corvette ASAP is just going to lead to disappointment. Yeah, you might enjoy the ship once you have it, but you might destroy your enjoyment of the game in the process. And owning the biggest ships take a lot of the challenge from the game. Combat becomes stupidly easy in a Corvette. Trade becomes too easy to make money in a Cutter (pirates are a joke, you can just low wake away easily).
Play the game, don't play the grind.
Finding skill has been deemed as unrequired by many in other threads - that's why there's third party sites.
Also random factor is required.
That's not 'everything'.
And how would you make powerplay less grindy, bearing in mind that you are being opposed by other human beings who will be engaging in the same activities? By nature, you are trying to do more of something than another team of humans in the most efficinet manner possible in order to 'win'. That's pretty much the definition of hard graft.
Only if you're literally inept!
Ummm.... you chose to obtain the material by the longest, most tedious manner possible. That's not the game's fault, chap.
Absolutely nobody only enjoys the game because of the type of exclusive white imaginary spaceship they have.
And you can experiment with ship builds with an Eagle.
For me i do want certain things to be hard to get, the problem is that i feel they do it wrong.
For example: Ranking up to get a Cutter should not be a quick process, i fully agree with this. Im even fine with Elite being hard to achieve, these things make sense.
My issue is with things like engineering. Rather than it being "grind grind grind" to get materials i would prefer there to be certain things you can only get from exploring the furthest reaches of the galaxy. To me this is way more interesting than go farm stuff for 100 hours and come back and RNG the crap out of the Engineering panel.
Want to get the top of the line Engineering Module for Power Plants? Well it requires this material that can only be found in Colonia. I would rather have to go on an adventure through the galaxy than simply grind mindlessly because of RNG. Yeah yeah no one is forcing me to min max, this is not a valid argument to me.
I also cannot stand the current method of obtaining ore from planets, its incredibly boring.
In the end my issue is more with the time sink it takes to make money and gain materials than things like rep and status. It literally took me 6 months of all my playtime just to save up for a cutter and i feel like its going to be another 6 months before i can compete with others in Open Play.
Incoming:"FD doesnt reward my time! It takes forever to get a corvette."
Grinding is doing something repetitive you dont want to do, and blaming your own choices on a game. Usually because it is claimed "you have to". This argument you have to play the game is typically presented by adult human males.
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Let me get this straight... you're obtaining iron by driving around for hours in an SRV, but you are also complaining that obtaining iron should be skill-based and faster?
You've just made your own example: Driving around in an SRV is probably the worst and least efficient way of obtaining iron. Y'kinda failed your own skill test, chap!
Then it is game for you
ED is a sim game. It simulates tons of it's actions to provide Elite experience in dynamic galaxy. Some people don't like it, some people want more of detailed gameplay, and hopefully that's coming.
It is really more about living in ED than achieving. People with specific goals clashes with it. Just let it go and enjoy.
I really have been around a long, long time playing this game. I know it inside and out.
I understand exactly what it is about. I'm really are engaging gameplay, not text based adventures or "using your imagination".
What I am trying to say it's that the actual mechanics of the gameplay need to be more fun to drive people away from the apparent need to grind for big ships etc.
Lol, an entire day for iron? That is fifteen min from the moment you boot your pc. Maybe thinks take so long not because its a grind but because you have stuff left to learn?
I admit i was exaggerating using Iron as an example. There are materials though that do take that long to get the amount you need.
Basically this is my issue. ED lacks creative methods of obtaining stuff and makes it either grindy or RNG, not skill based.
If you see all this as grind, then I am afraid this game is not for you...
Elite is niche game for people who like flying ships, enjoys "living" in galaxy and creating their own story...
Let me get this straight... you're obtaining iron by driving around for hours in an SRV, but you are also complaining that obtaining iron should be skill-based and faster?
You've just made your own example: Driving around in an SRV is probably the worst and least efficient way of obtaining iron. Y'kinda failed your own skill test, chap!
What other way is there to obtain those materials? Being serious here, i don't know another way but with SRV on a planet. Please educate me lol
Maybe you have the wrong goals? Getting faction rep shouldn't be a goal, it should be a side effect of playing and having fun.
What ever anyone says there is a huge amout of grind in this game, all beit a time sink by any other name, its knowing when to stop that grind and go and do another which feels like a none grind till it becomes one, then go back to to the other as its no longer a grind.
OP its no good you wont win the grind agument here, its been tried and ground (no pun inteneded) to death we know its there just some play the game with rose tinted specs, but to be fair to them ED is not a game to be finshed in a set number of hours as it has no end hence getting anywhere or to anything of worth makes it feel like there is a huge grind wall to climb.
Not that I engae in it tbh, I tend to do a little of eveything till what Im doing becomes a grind or boreing as fudge then go and do other things, might be why ive not logged in since early Oct as jumping and honking has taken its toll again.
OP its no good you wont win the grind agument here, its been tried and ground (no pun inteneded) to death we know its there just some play the game with rose tinted specs, but to be fair to them ED is not a game to be finshed in a set number of hours as it has no end hence getting anywhere or to anything of worth makes it feel like there is a huge grind wall to climb.
Not that I engae in it tbh, I tend to do a little of eveything till what Im doing becomes a grind or boreing as fudge then go and do other things, might be why ive not logged in since early Oct as jumping and honking has taken its toll again.