No it would just mean going where you aren't wanted to trade.
FD's huge mistake in taking consequences out of the game in favour of a do what you want when you want mentality
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No it would just mean going where you aren't wanted to trade.
What pirates etc should be able to do is dock at asteroid bases (2.3). Possibly, clean players should be charged to dock there if not bullied a little. For me this would help bring the galaxy to life.
Yea, good, then THAT part is working.
But the fact that people can just use a suicidewinder to remove their bounties is still a problem.
I wasn't suggesting that all asteroid bases would belong to pirates, but rather "some" would be hidden and only "worthy" pirates would know where they are, once they have ranked up high enough.
Where as some may lean towards a more rustic pilot, whilst the pambies have to pay extra etc for being wossies or vice versa, stations making those with a "record" pay more, to pay for the furniture that they will know will be broken in the bars etc.
And it consequences also create variation, which your suggestion would create.
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Until he commits so much crime that nobody wants him apart from a few, independent systems on the rougher side of life.
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Eve, and many other games have the same issue. They have, for example, large powerful bodies akin to superpowers running the show is each area of their space, and yet not one can lift a finger to make law and order a thing. I guess in the future governments, corporate bodies and everyone in general just won't care, we'll be murdering each other in the streets for laughs as the cops sit eating their doughnuts and drinking beers!
Maybe, I just had the vision that future earthlings would be more like Starfleet than Mad Max in space, cause I can't see the latter lasting long before burning out in a blaze of glory (no one to kill when your the only one left!).
It is equally funny how none of the big corps seem to care either, corporate stealing, corp assassinations, running stolen goods and they sit back and take it, not a armed merc in sight (aka security) in sight guarding their multi billion station investments etc.
So yes OP, I fully agree with what you say. They played the "everyone" card and it's a loosing hand.
Maybe, I just had the vision that future earthlings would be more like Starfleet than Mad Max in space, cause I can't see the latter lasting long before burning out in a blaze of glory (no one to kill when your the only one left!).
It is equally funny how none of the big corps seem to care either, corporate stealing, corp assassinations, running stolen goods and they sit back and take it, not a armed merc in sight (aka security) in sight guarding their multi billion station investments etc.
So yes OP, I fully agree with what you say. They played the "everyone" card and it's a loosing hand.
I think the Star Trek future of the Human Race is a fantasy. People simply don`t work like that, and to be honest maybe they shouldn`t. No such thing as a Human `utopia`. In fact, with space being huge you are more likely to see starkly different societies that have developed away from original Earth; so slavery, all kinds of differnet political societies would develope, all a Law unto themselves- Things many of us don`t even think about.
Whilst I agree that the Elite isn't the Elite envisaged by the DDF (but then could that game ever have got made?), and that crime and punishment do need a whole lot of love <Cough!>PERSISTENT KARMA SYSTEM</Cough!>, who are the group you refer to? After release Sandro (paraphrasing) said, "making the game was hard, but keeping players is even harder", so wasn't it really Frontier's decision to go with listening to, and catering for, the pvp/multiplayer crowd, to the detriment of everything else?
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Yep. <Cough!>PERSISTENT KARMA SYSTEM</Cough!>
Gawd! This is a nasty, persistent cough I'm developing.
Compared to what we have in the game now where everyone seems to be a trust fund kid suffering from an extreme case of lead poisoning, utopia sounds more believable with continued human evolution and augmentation, assuming we're able to outlive our stupidity and greed as a species. Not saying the latter would make for the best game either tough.
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This isn't really a good comparison as the part of EVE you're talking about is nulsec space. Also, I can assure you that the corporations in EVE take their security very seriously and are constantly on the watch for things that are actually a threat to them. The lone assassin trolling around in an SB or interdictor isn't really a threat to a several thousand player strong group that has territorial claim over an entire region of space.
EVE also doesn't really do piracy (except against NPCs and occasional player gank in low/null).
HiSec space is a completely different story to that you've told.
Can't agree more with the OP.
One of the thinks i dislike of Elite D is no matter what you do, it doesn't have any impact, nobody (player or progam) cares. The universe is persistant, but your part is mostly irrelevant whatsoever. If you're the mightiest space pilot, the meanest pirate or the most succesful trader... you gain some reputation here and there, then jump to the next system and you're nobody again. Same with factions, even if you have the higher rank, the only difference with a newbie is you have more money, can buy some more ships and can go to one or two systems he couldn't. But you're not a big shot, you only have some reputation to back your actions. I know this would be a chore for FD, the fact that every player could have individual impact on the game sounds hard and a lot of work, but the potential is so great is a shame not to pursue that goal.
One of the thinks i dislike of Elite D is no matter what you do, it doesn't have any impact, nobody (player or progam) cares. The universe is persistant, but your part is mostly irrelevant whatsoever. If you're the mightiest space pilot, the meanest pirate or the most succesful trader... you gain some reputation here and there, then jump to the next system and you're nobody again. Same with factions, even if you have the higher rank, the only difference with a newbie is you have more money, can buy some more ships and can go to one or two systems he couldn't. But you're not a big shot, you only have some reputation to back your actions. I know this would be a chore for FD, the fact that every player could have individual impact on the game sounds hard and a lot of work, but the potential is so great is a shame not to pursue that goal.
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Just enhance the BGS and make it have more of an impact on the FGS.
If the factions were more like factions and less like inconsequential chips on a gaming board...
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It does, just on a really low key 'scumbag' level.
Im quite proud of pikeying 'rubbish' discharges by AFK pilots
Way back before Alpha, I had two ideas for characters.
One was an Imperial Agent, a former imperial slave who would work in the shadows against the evil Galactic Federation.
The other was a neo-abolitionist from the Federation, who would raid imperial shipping, liberating imperial slaves and bringing them back to the Federation so they could start a new life.
The former is so "good" at her job, the clueless Federation governors usually served her the fatted lamb when she arrives at their station, even as she aides their enemies, and took missions that would send their factions into famine, plague, lockdown, or economic bust. There is literally no consequence for aiding one faction in a system over another, because you don't lose reputation with a faction unless you fail a mission or attack them directly. The same goes for the major factions as well.
The latter I imagined would be wanted throughout the Empire, but hailed as a hero in the Federation. Unfortunately, as the current C&P system works right now, they would be able to operate freely throughout most of the Empire, except for in a handful of systems where they raided.
There should be no reason why a character shouldn't be beloved by one major power, but reviled by another. There is, IMO, something very wrong when you can spend days destroying ships in one Federation system, and then jump to another Federation system, and get greeted by "Welcome back, Commander. An ally like you is always welcome."
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Yep. A weak C&P system, a neutered background sim and economy, almost instant travel... this game is a pale reflection of what it could've been, had Frontier stuck with their original design.
*still misses the original version of supercruise*
Yep, I don't think there would have ever been a scenario that wouldn't have *someone* complaining. Frontier were in a lose-lose situation, but I don't blame Frontier, I blame us, the players.
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