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Difficult to get hold of captains.

How have you tried?

Visited 3 DSSA ships so far and all been ghost ships.

If you expected them to be swarming with players all the time, I think you misunderstand how large the galaxy is, and what players are likely to do. For the fixed DSSA carriers, I suspect most players will drop in to use them as a port of rest and repair, and then move on. You might run into another player there... but I wouldn't count on doing so. This is still deep deep space.

That they are where they are, at all, is a definite plus, no question, but they need support.
Quite a few passing FCs that could and would have, given a bit of bon homie, contributed to the economy and vitality of the outlying hubs

You're welcome to get a group of players together, buy a carrier, and help! :)

Incentives and rewards for mining gangs much needed

Please do feel free to communicate this to FDev, because they're the only ones who can make that happen. Also, mining in deep space for what purpose? If it's valuable minerals, they only thing you can do is sell them to the carrier - if the owner is willing to buy them. What does the owner do with it?

If you mean tritium, what use does a now fixed-in-place fleet carrier have for tritium? Might sell to passing other carriers, but that's about it.

plus a solid, consistent and concentrated channel of communication to coelesce mining parties.

Please feel free to stop by in the Fleetcomm Discord and jump into the #miners channel.

Recruitment drive advised

This has been going on for months. We've had dozens of expeditions, and more are scheduled. Paying attention, advised.

DSSA ships appear to be status symbols dumped and left by CMDRs with alt accounts.

My status is currently: "Feeling awesome because my group of 20 people took a carrier to one of the hardest to reach places in the galaxy. Explorer's Bar and Grill now a challenge destination for explorers and a rest stop for the weary."

Difficult to discern where to pitch ideas and communicate with interested parties. Comms channels contanimated with inane, irrelevant chat don't help.

How strange. We've been pitching ideas in the publicly-advertised FleetCom Discord channel since April.

There are FCs already travelling the space lanes between the DSSA ships and could be facilitating build up of crew, and so on.

Are you volunteering?

Liason with mining organisations seems to be missing.

Other than the three carriers being already run by the Rock Rats mining group, you mean?
 
Several DSSAs were discussing a network of tritium depots to support expeditions in refueling prior to patch3. I’m sure this topic will resurface if overlapping hotspots are brought back to what they once were.
 
Several DSSAs were discussing a network of tritium depots to support expeditions in refueling prior to patch3. I’m sure this topic will resurface if overlapping hotspots are brought back to what they once were.
Yep and I've seen @CMDR Kai Zen having the same idea in chat during the stream and even volunteering to bring together a mining convoy.
 
I feel I should apologise - my comment was written in haste and was a bit ill mannered. Thanks for the replies, and I hope I can contribute to the effort; that's certainly why I'm posting in the thread.
I'm not trying to disparage and I want to express gratitude for all the effort put in to this. It's a monumental task and anyone hoping to integrate into a communal effort is battling a very fragmented situation in terms of information and structure - I mean, the nexus of in-game comms, discord servers, forums, etc. It's easy for things to go astray.
I've tried to just say hi to captains in various discord channels and some of their individual forum posts about their DSSA initiatives. I'm not expecting much and I know that no-one is under any obligation to respond - simply logging interest so that it might be picked up down the line is all I'm realistically trying to accomplish for the most part.

Thanks for the detailed responses Heavy Johnson - I'm heading your way! :)
If you expected them to be swarming with players all the time, I think you misunderstand how large the galaxy is, and what players are likely to do. For the fixed DSSA carriers, I suspect most players will drop in to use them as a port of rest and repair, and then move on. You might run into another player there... but I wouldn't count on doing so. This is still deep deep space.
I understand this, and I'm not expecting the DSSA ships to be busy hubs, in-game at least. It does seem, though, that they are naturally going to draw players together into particular areas at the same time, even if they aren't going to see each other in-game. With FCs being as they are CMDRs can hitch rides and stow away without anyone even realising that they are there, so it's all too easy for it to be a ships-passing-in-the-night situation. I've tried to leave invites and messages on some of the Discord channels (the Fleet Carriers Owners Club e.g.) but I think that there's probably just too many of them for bulletin type communications to be of much use.

You're welcome to get a group of players together, buy a carrier, and help! :)
I am doing just that, but I don't hold much sway, I'm sorry to say, so my small band is not going to be able to do much.

Please do feel free to communicate this to FDev, because they're the only ones who can make that happen. Also, mining in deep space for what purpose? If it's valuable minerals, they only thing you can do is sell them to the carrier - if the owner is willing to buy them. What does the owner do with it?

If you mean tritium, what use does a now fixed-in-place fleet carrier have for tritium? Might sell to passing other carriers, but that's about it.

Yes, I agree that FDev have not provided any in-game use for commodities. Tritium is the only thing worth mining of any consequence in this situation. Building up caches of fuel seems to be the only economy worth pursuing at this juncture. I've brought a stock of various rares out with me, but the only use they are going to be is as a sort of tinsel.

Please feel free to stop by in the Fleetcomm Discord and jump into the #miners channel.
I've had a look at this, but I'm not seeing much in the way of organising personel or focus on concentrated efforts/initiatives. I do keep half an eye on that channel though and try to keep up with some of the tools available and databases used.

This has been going on for months. We've had dozens of expeditions, and more are scheduled. Paying attention, advised.
I've been tracking a few of the expeditions since they were first posted and have been following the DSSA tracker. Those are the launching/deployment efforts. I was thinking more of the network of CMDRs who are going to use the network and the mining gangs needed to get out to the ships en-masse - it doesn't seem obvious to me where a player might be able to link up with or be able to recognise those players who are interested in forming around the DSSA network.

My status is currently: "Feeling awesome because my group of 20 people took a carrier to one of the hardest to reach places in the galaxy. Explorer's Bar and Grill now a challenge destination for explorers and a rest stop for the weary."
We're heading your way (have been travelling down the Outer Arm from the Formidine Rift) and was hoping to attract and transport CMDRs and their ships to various DSSA FCs, including yours. It does now seem possible that CMDRs could hitch rides all over the galaxy on FCs plying the lanes between the DSSA ships. I'm trying to make an effort to open up my own FC in this way; I am trying to contribute an Outsiders (of the Fleetcomm structure) view of what it's like to try and interface with the network in a meaningful (in-game) way. The DSSA ships should be able to serve as nodal points for a galaxy wide network of travellers and FCs travelling between them can/should be harnessed.

How strange. We've been pitching ideas in the publicly-advertised FleetCom Discord channel since April.
That channel is somewhat inward-facing though, even if it is publicly-advertised. I do try and read through it every now and then but it can be a bit hard work. Not that that's much different from most channels - the proliferation of which seems to be part of the difficulty.

Are you volunteering?
Sort of.

Other than the three carriers being already run by the Rock Rats mining group, you mean?
Yes. Good to hear that there's something forming. I've never heard of the Rock Rats, though I assumed that there must be something already in existence, but this kind of illustrates my point - it's difficult to find out about this sort of thing. The only thing I found after some digging about was the Intergalactic Mining Union channel - and that's also somewhat obscure and byzantine to the outsider. Having a Name and a Clear Purpose does seem a prime requisite for getting any concentrated effort to form in the playerbase.


Hi mate! Many DSSA Carriers do want this kind of interaction, many do not. The initial vision of the DSSA was pretty much limited to the deployment, and it is considered a "bonus" if an active player group forms around any one Carrier. I know for sure that CLB Vooqoway and DSSA Callisto have very active player groups around them; check them out!
I understand and I can see that it's kind of necessary that the DSSA ships be very light on the demands of their captains' time. Expecting anything else from them would be unrealistic, I definitely appreciate that. Thanks for the tips on the CLB Vooqoway and DSSA Callisto; will check them out.
 
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Difficult to get hold of captains.
Visited 3 DSSA ships so far and all been ghost ships. That they are where they are, at all, is a definite plus, no question, but they need support. Quite a few passing FCs that could and would have, given a bit of bon homie, contributed to the economy and vitality of the outlying hubs. Incentives and rewards for mining gangs much needed, plus a solid, consistent and concentrated channel of communication to coelesce mining parties. Recruitment drive advised. DSSA ships appear to be status symbols dumped and left by CMDRs with alt accounts. This seems to engender a negligent attitude.
Difficult to discern where to pitch ideas and communicate with interested parties. Comms channels contanimated with inane, irrelevant chat don't help.
There are FCs already travelling the space lanes between the DSSA ships and could be facilitating build up of crew, and so on.
Liason with mining organisations seems to be missing.
Hi CMDR Junagu.

DSSA Kraut is buying all kind of high priced mineables aswell as Tritium. And we have all kind of mining gear for sale, so come around and feel welcome to fill our hold. :)

Honestly - as Heavy Johnson already said - there isn't a reason to mine this stuff out here, but I like to rp that the LTDs from 15 kylies out are more shiny than the bubble ones and also I like to haul them back to the bubble once a Cutter load is reached ;)

Was even thinking of a player driven mining/hauling CG out here at NGC 3199, but with just one carrier hold it could be over in 1 or 2 days ;)

I try to check the different communication platforms on a daily basis but you should also take into consideration that we all play in different time zones or sometimes need a day off. So it may last 48h before I can get back to a query...
Hope your next experiences with the DSSA are more positive :)
 
@CMDR Junagu

Put my name in your contacts list. My alt and I manage the DSSA Buurian Anchorage out in the empyrean straits. If you ever need anything special, we may try to accommodate you :)

As for the IMU, they're not that obscure. They have a discord you can go to, and I'm sure if you wanted to organize something, some of those miners would be happy to help you. Cant speak for em 100% tho since I dont interact a ton over there. The Rock Rats definitely have their fair share of mining experience too, but a far smaller group than the IMU.
 
I've had a look at this, but I'm not seeing much in the way of organising personel or focus on concentrated efforts/initiatives. I do keep half an eye on that channel though and try to keep up with some of the tools available and databases used.

The real strength/weakness of the DSSA is that it's really a hundred different expeditions, run and managed in just as many ways. I definitely encourage you to hop into FleetComm Discord and check-out both the DSSA Initiative channels AND the DSSA Deployment Events channels. There's a lot of activity and you should get a pretty quick sense of FCs that match you and your group's play style.
 
I'm curios, are there any plans to provide a list of every single DSSA carrier and their location somehow. So Explorers know where to find them without have to do a ton of research themselves.
 
I'm curios, are there any plans to provide a list of every single DSSA carrier and their location somehow. So Explorers know where to find them without have to do a ton of research themselves.

As you can read in the first post of this thread....

Where can players find out about the DSSA?
The main place for information about the DSSA is the forum thread. The original post is updated with every new change to the progress of the project. Explorers can find the full list of DSSA Carriers on the Tracker, which displays the Fleet Carriers, their status, name, location, services, etc.
 
I hope this reads as constructive criticism :-/

  • the dssa-logistics and dssa-initiative-chat channels in the FC Discord server are like two streams of the same conversation and seem a bit too broad in their topics, considering that they are supposed to cover a galaxy wide concern. Most of the conversation seems to be about tritium yields and there's a lot of fluff, a lot of the pinned posts are out of date and concern specific expeditions that have their own channel.
  • the expedition channels only cover a small fraction of the DSSA and are not organised in any particularly meaningful way; difficult to discern at a glance where the expeditions lie in the galaxy; some sort of prefix to the channel names to denote regions perhaps to cut down cross referencing? Also some of the deployment-events channels are filled with chat about stuff not even related to ED, never mind the DSSA (I'm looking at you Heavy Johnson :-o ) and, as a newcomer/outsider using the public FC discord server, I (quite reasonably, no?) can't be bothered to wade through all that. Some of the channels are well used and contain pins with good summaries of status etc (DSSA Callisto in particular jumps out) but it's very patchy (to be expected).
  • as a long distance traveller between DSSA locations it would be good to have a channel for each region so that there's at least some reasonable chance of exchanging information/requests/greetings with other CMDRs/FCs vaguely nearby that wont get buried. The DSSA ships, though they may not be active hubs in game, are likely to act as nodes where explorers and travellers congregate and gravitate towards - I was hoping for some way of picking up crew / mining crew / hitchhikers etc but there seems no way of really getting anything going in that way (maybe it's over ambitious). I wouldn't blame FleetComm at all for not wanting to take on this sort of thing but at the moment there's no sense in splitting this off, as FleetComm is going to be the first place CMDRs using the DSSA network are going to look.
  • maybe to get something going it would be worth electing one DSSA ship per region as a Tritium cache and start building up stocks. This is the sort of thing I was expecting to find in the dssa-logistics and dssa-initiative-chat channels. As all this gets rolling I would expect there to be a few CMDRs in each region wanting to get back to the Bubble with their collection of ships or transfer to a different region etc. etc. and passing FCs would be the way of doing that - the shipping lanes/ connections between the nodes of the DSSA ships need to have some way of functioning. Maybe sketch-out/define/name primary trade/supply routes that connect some of the most active/ well crewed / important DSSA ships with well known POIs along the way so that there's ways for travelling CMDRs in the black to intercept.

Just my first impressions as an outsider trying to use the DSSA (have visited 3 now and should be getting to another 4 by September).
 
" and here's my closest friends and people who love and support me and the game.... They are today's commanders..." LOL Conspiracy i say =-P
Funny how prices went sky high and as soon and the DSSA had got THEIR carriers and set off out into the black.......Prices crashed and burned ....Funny that eh!
 
Need new ability to carrier "Urgent Help". Docked cmdr press it, pays accrued costs as it would be with all services on, and this turns on all services till week ends.
Other times owner can keep it off.
Not sure why owners should pay bills their self. Even in 1st book about Elite, Alex payed bills when was rescued.
 
@Junagu

I cant comment on opening up other comms channels for dssa vessels (I had mentioned this as an idea way back when and was swiftly pounced on and shut down LOL), but as far as seeing individual carriers and best ways to contact them, you're best option is going to be the DSSA Network Tracker pinned there in the fleetcomm dssa channels. It displays every single one, and as much info about it as you can handle. The tracker's biggest strength for you personally is displaying the name of the station owner. I'd start there if you haven't already.
 
On the topic of comms, there are a couple of public DSSA channels on FleetComm. One is for general initiative topics and the other for logistics. Comm discipline is fairly relaxed, though, so conversations do occasionally meander.

Each DSSA carrier runs its own expedition under it's own plans, including comms. Several are in FleetComm with varying levels of activity. Many have their own Discord servers, which are linked in the DSSA Tracker. Some have no comms platform at all, as communications is not a requirement of DSSA participation.

I believe the decentralized nature of the DSSA carriers is one of its greatest strengths and draws. It allows each CMDR to set up their own experience and level of player engagement. The only real requirements are to be available to all CMDRs, to offer reasonably priced repair services, and to remain in their deployed system for at least a year.

o7
 
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