Fed Up

Within only 48 hours of the 2.1 release, most of the forums is just choc-a-block with people complaining about how 2.1 has ruined their game, its become too hard and they cant make millions of credits by long range smuggling and that their favourite ship has been nerfed to death blah blah blah etc. etc.

Im fed up of people posting negative criticism of what has happened and generally making these forums like the world of tanks forums. COME ON! The Elite community is one of the greatest gaming communities I have been privileged to be a part of, and I know that we are better than this! These threads continually complaining about new game mechanics or how things have become harder make the FDev team feel like their efforts are wasted, and generally make the forums a worse place to be.

Now, Im not saying 2.1 is perfect, it has got plenty of problems in it, but when we criticise something, at least make it positive criticism. Make a few suggestions as to what would be better- I know some people do, but it would be good if everyone made an effort to actually try and contribute a useful suggestion for something they feel could be improved upon. Be polite- it only ruins someones day when people pooh pooh someones hard work- I know this from personal experience, but when someone criticises what I have done, then gives a suggestion on how to improve it, it lets me know what people think can be made better.

Someone else made a thread how this has become the fall of the forums, to be honest they are correct, unless people stop to think about how they say something before they say it. But think about how hard FD worked in order to get this update out, and be considerate to them when posting about things you personally dont like.
 
Yes, but also...
This is every game forum EVER. I mean ever. Unless it's been sanitized into a hugbox, EVERY game forum is filled with generally the same characters and scenarios. You could write scripts from the way these things play out.
 
Yes, but also...
This is every game forum EVER. I mean ever. Unless it's been sanitized into a hugbox, EVERY game forum is filled with generally the same characters and scenarios. You could write scripts from the way these things play out.
Maybe it is, but you can certainly see the change from what the forums here were from a month ago and today. These forums are generally a lot better than other ones as far as my experience goes
 
Maybe it is, but you can certainly see the change from what the forums here were from a month ago and today. These forums are generally a lot better than other ones as far as my experience goes

Overall the toxicity levels are lower by comparison, I agree, but I find that it's more a question of scale of effect than any real difference in forum paradigm behaviour. The Minecraft beta experience was like being on a sea of brown, with huge crapstorms that would kick up every single update, causing rational people to be drowned out in a hurricane of misinformed ranting. 35-page threads arguing about torches and lanterns. 17 pages of ranting about PUNKINS. At least the PVP is top-notch stuff.
 
+1 rep, because I agree that the devs have done a great job with this update. But I think most of us have let them to know it.
On the other hand, using that kind of title and emoji is against your own judgement. It´s unpleasant to see in the thread list and creates "bad blood" as we say in spanish
 
I mean there are a lot of very costly bugs in this update. Ultra rapid fire rail guns on NPC's melting ships in 2 seconds, PP NPC's turning on allies for no reason and punishing players for fighting back, the fact that all NPC's have 4+ years worth of Engi mods on every ship. And that's just for combat, there are other bugs plaguing it as well.

I havent really seen FDev mention anything about the bugs either, so people just assume they are ignoring us. I know sometimes Devs dont bother communicating and are instead trying to fix stuff, but it only takes 10 minutes to go on the forum and post a sticky of known bugs just so we know they are aware of them.
 
I think if loads of people are complaining, it may indicate something's wrong. Seems odd to disregard the complaints.

However I agree in that there seems to be a lot of anger and frustration floating around, which doesn't help when you're trying to discuss something - regardless of which side you're on.
 
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I mean there are a lot of very costly bugs in this update. Ultra rapid fire rail guns on NPC's melting ships in 2 seconds, PP NPC's turning on allies for no reason and punishing players for fighting back, the fact that all NPC's have 4+ years worth of Engi mods on every ship. And that's just for combat, there are other bugs plaguing it as well.

I havent really seen FDev mention anything about the bugs either, so people just assume they are ignoring us. I know sometimes Devs dont bother communicating and are instead trying to fix stuff, but it only takes 10 minutes to go on the forum and post a sticky of known bugs just so we know they are aware of them.

If the bugs are posted in the bug forum and sent in through tickets, then they'll be aware.
 
Im fed up of people...

I'm not...

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Maybe I'm heavily mistaken, but I believe people have tried to warn FDEV in the Beta forum that some mods are over the top, that mods without disadvantages break the balance, that power creep brings nothing good to the game, in a polite and discreet manner. People also moaned about the AI being to hard in a much more vocal manner. Guess which of the two issues was addressed.

The players have started learning that the only way to make FDEV listen is to scream and kick and roll on the ground like little kids.
 
+1 rep, because I agree that the devs have done a great job with this update. But I think most of us have let them to know it.
On the other hand, using that kind of title and emoji is against your own judgement. It´s unpleasant to see in the thread list and creates "bad blood" as we say in spanish
Yeah, Im just getting my feelings out :)
I mean there are a lot of very costly bugs in this update. Ultra rapid fire rail guns on NPC's melting ships in 2 seconds, PP NPC's turning on allies for no reason and punishing players for fighting back, the fact that all NPC's have 4+ years worth of Engi mods on every ship. And that's just for combat, there are other bugs plaguing it as well.

I havent really seen FDev mention anything about the bugs either, so people just assume they are ignoring us. I know sometimes Devs dont bother communicating and are instead trying to fix stuff, but it only takes 10 minutes to go on the forum and post a sticky of known bugs just so we know they are aware of them.
Yes, as you say there are bugs that should have been fixed before release, and a list of known bugs would be good, to let people know that they are working on it, it would save a lot of complaining on the forums. To be honest, I think they released the update too early, they should have waited at least another week, but what is done is done.

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I'm not...

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Maybe I'm heavily mistaken, but I believe people have tried to warn FDEV in the Beta forum that some mods are over the top, that mods without disadvantages break the balance, that power creep brings nothing good to the game, in a polite and discreet manner. People also moaned about the AI being to hard in a much more vocal manner. Guess which of the two issues was addressed.

The players have started learning that the only way to make FDEV listen is to scream and kick and roll on the ground like little kids.
Thanks for making me laugh with that gif :D
 
OP is contributing to the very phenomenom he is describing. In the words of the wise Tarman...
...mr. Flash_Baggins has become the actor for the role of 'I hate what forums become after patch' -guy :)
Yes, yes I have, Im gonna come under fire for it, but I wanted to get my feelings out :)
 
You go Flash!!
Preach it!

Actually, I prolly don't fit in these forums.

I'm normally drunk and I can barely read. My replies are simply based upon the avatar or the OP.
Having said that, the only reason I replied positively was because your avatar takes off one pair off glasses and has another pair on already.

I've watched it for about 8 minutes and he still hasn't run out of glasses!!
Witchcraft!!
 
Yes, but also...
This is every game forum EVER. I mean ever. Unless it's been sanitized into a hugbox, EVERY game forum is filled with generally the same characters and scenarios. You could write scripts from the way these things play out.

^^ This. Nothing new happening here.

EDIt: and here I thought you were gonna complain about Hudson.
 
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Maybe it is, but you can certainly see the change from what the forums here were from a month ago and today. These forums are generally a lot better than other ones as far as my experience goes

Is "sweep it under the carpet and hope it goes away" how FD should best deal with this? Should I tell the cook the chicken dish was great even though it was raw?............should I just shut my mouth?......if his firm folds in a few months because word got out and people stopped going, did I really do him a favour by keeping quiet?.............is saying Please don't be displeased to someone who is displeased even reasonable?........
 

Ian Phillips

Volunteer Moderator
LOL. ED isn't just going to roll over and die - no matter how many people say it will. They have been saying that since before the release, and it's STILL here :)
 
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You are right but big whiners are listened to more than other players, an example is the fact now police pops in quickly to kill wanted ships, this one was asked for some time ago by big whiner traders who complained they were attacked and no police would come in to defend them, now they got what they wanted, more protection even from assaults, I noticed this yesterday and today doing assassination missions, now you are likely to see law enforcement spawn while you are fighting target, I had to suddenly learn to kill quickly and jump away or police will start shooting, sometimes my hull is reduced to 10 percent during a fight cause of the police interfering all the time, even if you only see 1,2 police ships in sc, the police ships spawning on you will be at least 4.

See ? Now they have their protection but ironically they also got psychopath enemies to escape from LOL, I love it
 
"Forum war...forum war never changes.

In the year 1984, my gaming predecessors, struggling with underpowered hardware, wondered when they'd get to see a new vision of Elite. They got their wish thirty years later, when Frontier Development released an incomplete and experimental Elite Dangerous on an unsuspecting world.


The Internet awaited Armageddon; instead, something miraculous happened. We began to use the Frontier forums not as a weapon, but as a nearly limitless source of positive energy.


Players enjoyed luxuries once thought the realm of science fiction. Detailed ships, endless expanses of hostile space, a galaxy 400 billion star systems wide. But then, in the 2016, people awoke from the Frontier dream.


Years of development led to shortages in every major goodwill resource. The entire forum world unraveled. Peace became a distant memory. It is now the same year. We stand on the brink of total forum war, and I am afraid. For myself, for my fellow players, for my community - because if my time in Elite Dangerous taught me one thing: it's that forum war, forum war never changes."


(With apologies to Fallout 4)
 
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