Fed Up

[Belthize]

I wouldn't worry about it all that much, a tiny percentage of players post on the forum and an even smaller percentage post in the generic discussion section. This forum just represents the motivated and opinionated subset of the populous so it will always tend toward the pro/con extremes of opinions.

2.1 is fine, the world is fine, everything's fine.

 

[Dimensions]

It never makes sense to complain negatively about people who complain negatively. Am I the only one who see the irony of this.

 

[Cybrdroyd]

Now, Im not saying 2.1 is perfect, it has got plenty of problems in it, but when we criticise something, at least make it positive criticism.
Someone else made a thread how this has become the fall of the forums, to be honest they are correct, unless people stop to think about how they say something before they say it. But think about how hard FD worked in order to get this update out, and be considerate to them when posting about things you personally dont like.

When people criticize something that they don't like, its generally going to be a negative criticism. I fail to see how its productive to only highlight the positives and not mention the negatives. It's the negatives that need to be pointed out so they can be changed. Not trying to change the positives, we want to keep the positives.

 

[OriginalBadBoy]

I agree to an extent, but you're missing something massive that I didn't see you mention...

This game was kickstarted - which will show a MAJOR ownership (in the minds of people who backed) to the community. Not only that, but when it all started there was a group that specifically talked about and suggested/reported ideas to the developers. It was a privileged group that I once heard the Lave Radio guys talk about and that group was closed (can't remember the name of it for the life of me) by FD.

This game was supposed to be fueled by the community- so more than any other forum out there the "complaining" you here is likely done by people (like me) who have thousands of hours (over 3,000 personally) invested in a game that they played a certain way for over a year and a half... which is their right.

What would happen in GTA5 if all of the sudden you got 5-stars, merryweather, and tanks for hitting a pedestrian in your car?

What would happen in CRYSIS 3 if you suddenly couldn't regen your stealth suit energy and had to pick it up or no longer had your bow?

People are upset because regardless of who wanted more challenging opponents and who didn't, who's income was crushed and who's wasn't... the game was changed drastically. Not upgraded or bug-fixed - but the entire game (that some people knew) is nothing like what people have paid over $60 for now twice. That is something disrespectful, unappreciative of the money we've spent, and inconsiderate of every single player's wishes by not giving a poll to see how many people actually wanted defcon 5 AI and even more grinding. By doing this the way they did (considering the beta forums looked exactly like this for weeks already), they brought this on themselves.

The lead designer of the AI only ever replied to the people in beta who wanted tougher AI which she obviously wanted an opportunity to show her awesomeness to all those very same people who'd complained in the past that the AI sucked so bad. Is it rude to blatantly disrespect the people I saw comment that literally only had one arm and now couldn't defeat anyone? The people who were 25 when they played the first Elite (30 years ago) and couldn't possibly keep up with the new AI due to their age,sight,etc? That alone was a direct show of how much "the community" is considered in their game that was made because said community made it so with their money.

So who is rude? The people who did that, or the people who paid for something that has changed now to the point where it's completely unenjoyable for 75% of the people playing it?

To finish my two-cents, I do agree that people are quite unappreciative jerks when it comes to how they present their opinions. But as a parent I've learned to read between the lines and see that some people aren't trying to be jerks... they just feel so strongly about a game (which is actually a compliment) that they feel betrayed, hurt, and abandoned when things like this are done to them.

That, is how I feel and indeed a suggestion on how to correct it... actually ask the children how they're feeling- it'll let them know you care. And not something that has to be done during one certain hour (or even 8 certain hours) of a live stream where your questions are ignored if they aren't one someone wants to answer. Make a poll that's done like the ship buy-back that forces all players to make one multiple choice answer one time with one of the choices being "unbiased/no comment/ N/A".

Wow ... That is some over reaction right there. Firstly if you have put 3000 hours into one game you need to get out more. Not to mention you have got your monies worth and then some from the game. Secondly whether this game was kickstarted or not has got nothing to do with anything. Any person who buys a videogame could say the same thing in the end. Nobody owns ED other than Frontier, nobody.

The rest of your post is utter drivel tbh.. Where do you get your 75% figure from of unhappy players, oh wait you plucked it out of your backside, thats where. In all honesty you are coming across as self entitled, like FD OWE's you something. They owe you nothing. Its not like they have done a Star Wars Galaxies on the game or something, get a grip for christ sakes.

I suggest not getting so emotionally involved in a video game in the future. We all want ED to succeed as a game, but in the end it is just that .. A game.

 

[Ziljan]

Understand your frustration OP since I believe that 2.1 is a work of art. Maybe if you want to cultivate a healthier forum, you might want to reconsider the anger volume in your OP and thread title.

Take a deep breath count to 10, then post in a more disappointed statesman style prose. Rather than just another angry poster. I mean just looking at your title, my first thought was that you were another angry complainer. Had to get pretty far into your post before seeing that you were trying to promote positivity. Good thing I didn't tune out before then!

 

[Brasso]

Well for me the update has made the game quite a lot better, very nearly had my ass handed to me on a few occasions already, some excitement for once, pick those targets better I guess.

I mean if you go up against an anaconda or python in a cobra or the like, you should expect to get annihilated, just the way it should be.

Would you drag race a 911 in a 205 and whinge when you lost...

 

[Steve50]

Agreed TC.

I'll even go as far as saying the ED community was very friendly and great "until" the game hit Steam, and then millennials flooded and game and since then every step in the right direction by FD has been shouted down by those.

 

[Becks]

Agreed TC.

I'll even go as far as saying the ED community was very friendly and great "until" the game hit Steam, and then millennials flooded and game and since then every step in the right direction by FD has been shouted down by those.

 

[Patrick_68000]

I think that each one must be free to express his thoughts. This is the participatory democracy and the freedom of expression. After, each one makes his opinion on what he read

 

[Mosait]

I see valid points all around, but all I hear is:

https://youtu.be/9gSQg1i_q2g

 

[Ziljan]

https://i.imgflip.com/14xalx.jpg

I don't think he's saying it's the millennials fault. It's actually the gen X helicopter parents fault for giving them unrealistic expectations about the world.

It's definitely not true in every case since I've met many millennials with "balls of steel". But we gen X folks are really to blame for trying to make the world too safe, too secure, and too facile, A little overzealous with making one button tech too.

 

[Flimley]

I agree, and I seem to be really enjoying it all.
And whilst reading your post I played the national anthem in the background of my mind. It worked super well!
Everyone pull your socks up and rise to the new challenge.

Flimley.

 

[JuicerPrime]

I don't think he's saying it's the millennials fault. It's actually the gen X helicopter parents fault for giving them unrealistic expectations about the world.

It's definitely not true in every case since I've met many millennials with "balls of steel". But we gen X folks are really to blame for trying to make the world too safe, too secure, and too facile, A little overzealous with making one button tech too.

Promote the discredited and non-existent generation war so beloved of Fox News to explain away people's dissatisfaction and concerns with the latest update? Come on Ziljan, I expect more from you

 

[the100thmonkey]

Within only 48 hours of the 2.1 release, most of the forums is just choc-a-block with people complaining about how 2.1 has ruined their game, its become too hard and they cant make millions of credits by long range smuggling and that their favourite ship has been nerfed to death blah blah blah etc. etc.

Im fed up of people posting negative criticism of what has happened and generally making these forums like the world of tanks forums. COME ON! The Elite community is one of the greatest gaming communities I have been privileged to be a part of, and I know that we are better than this! These threads continually complaining about new game mechanics or how things have become harder make the FDev team feel like their efforts are wasted, and generally make the forums a worse place to be.

Now, Im not saying 2.1 is perfect, it has got plenty of problems in it, but when we criticise something, at least make it positive criticism. Make a few suggestions as to what would be better- I know some people do, but it would be good if everyone made an effort to actually try and contribute a useful suggestion for something they feel could be improved upon. Be polite- it only ruins someones day when people pooh pooh someones hard work- I know this from personal experience, but when someone criticises what I have done, then gives a suggestion on how to improve it, it lets me know what people think can be made better.

Someone else made a thread how this has become the fall of the forums, to be honest they are correct, unless people stop to think about how they say something before they say it. But think about how hard FD worked in order to get this update out, and be considerate to them when posting about things you personally dont like.

If the community is as good as you say it is, then maybe the whine threads have a point?

The beta showed how it would play at "end-game" (a term I use advisedly however, getting the mods is difficult in and of itself. For example, I've been looking and scanning, taking missions and shooting, but I can't find the irregular emisson data that Farseer needs to start the mod process on your thrusters. That's level 1. Like I said, I'm not dying, but it's hard work to hold your own now. Harder than it needs to be, arguably.

 

[Ziljan]

Promote the discredited and non-existent generation war so beloved of Fox News to explain away people's dissatisfaction and concerns with the latest update? Come on Ziljan, I expect more from you

This was just addressing a single post above. Not the 2.1 reaction, or a silly "generation war" by a fake news channel. Is that really a thing? So glad I don't watch TV anymore!

 

[tawittle]

The forums are always full of crying crybabies holding onto their carebears while they rock back and forth with their joystick in hand.

Me, well, I just like to drink the tears.

 

[the100thmonkey]

The forums are always full of crying crybabies holding onto their carebears while they rock back and forth with their joystick in hand.

Me, well, I just like to drink the tears.

Which is why your opinion means nothing.

 

[Kayweg]

Agreed TC.

I'll even go as far as saying the ED community was very friendly and great "until" the game hit Steam, and then millennials flooded and game and since then every step in the right direction by FD has been shouted down by those.

Well, that's perception. I'm not telling you yours is wrong or mine is right. Mine is different though.
Forum attitude or how "toxic" it is, in my perception, hasn't changed at all since beta days.
All par for the course from where i sit.
Also, nothing wrong with criticism per say, and i think OP will agree with that.
It's the manner some of that criticism is presented that's problematic, and some of the language used.
There really is no valid excuse for being rude, derogatory or even outright insulting, internet or not.
Not to say that we all can't get a bit carried away sometimes, guilty as charged myself, but in that case it shouldn't be beyond anyone to offer an apology if needed.

 

[SnowyNI]

Within only 48 hours of the 2.1 release, most of the forums is just choc-a-block with people complaining about how 2.1 has ruined their game, its become too hard and they cant make millions of credits by long range smuggling and that their favourite ship has been nerfed to death blah blah blah etc. etc.

Im fed up of people posting negative criticism of what has happened and generally making these forums like the world of tanks forums. COME ON! The Elite community is one of the greatest gaming communities I have been privileged to be a part of, and I know that we are better than this! These threads continually complaining about new game mechanics or how things have become harder make the FDev team feel like their efforts are wasted, and generally make the forums a worse place to be.

Now, Im not saying 2.1 is perfect, it has got plenty of problems in it, but when we criticise something, at least make it positive criticism. Make a few suggestions as to what would be better- I know some people do, but it would be good if everyone made an effort to actually try and contribute a useful suggestion for something they feel could be improved upon. Be polite- it only ruins someones day when people pooh pooh someones hard work- I know this from personal experience, but when someone criticises what I have done, then gives a suggestion on how to improve it, it lets me know what people think can be made better.

Someone else made a thread how this has become the fall of the forums, to be honest they are correct, unless people stop to think about how they say something before they say it. But think about how hard FD worked in order to get this update out, and be considerate to them when posting about things you personally dont like.

You've clearly not been affected by all this then... I don't believe for a minute that any of the upset people are doing it out of pure spite! If anything, more of the blame falls on those wanting no change as they refuse to budge on their "Don't you dare roll it back!" approach, you'll find most, if not all these players are falling into one or two catagories - very rich and don't care about loss OR combat based that doesn't care a jot about trading, expo. or mining etc.

 

[JuicerPrime]

The forums are always full of crying crybabies holding onto their carebears while they rock back and forth with their joystick in hand.

Me, well, I just like to drink the tears.

I seem to recall you 'crying' quite a bit in the community's furious thread response to Frontier's bullchips over gimbalgate, if I understand what you mean by crying. People in glass houses and all that.