Feedback from CMDR creator tool (The i am hologram, lore explanation and its placement on UI)
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What about the posts from both devs and players that talk about FTL comms going way back to at least 2014 (and maybe before)?
When do you feel FTL comms was retconned in?
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I think there is a big difference between a few bits of text being sent one way using virtually zero bandwidth and being able to control ship functions in realtime from an unlimited distance away.
The Lore in the game is what helps gel all the components and mini-games together. As soon as the lore makes zero sense (it's already getting there, but I can gloss over some of it) then all you are left with are a set of disjointed mini-games without context.
For a game like ED where there is no personal storyline to hold the game together, the lore becomes an integral part of the game. It is already creaking at the seams due to some of the inconsistancies, do we want to make it worse.
I have no issues with multiplay or instant multiplay, depending on how it is implemented. I will see how it is done first before passing judgement myself. I hope to god that it isn't as bad as what I think it may be.
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I have actually no problem with instant multicrew. I have a problem with the lore of telepresence, more precisely with all the holes that opens in all the other lore AND game mechanics. For me, this is the last straw, this is the tipping point. This is complete story collapse for me and I can only treat the entirety of Elite lore and story as but a farce.
I see. I guess ego has been massively suppressed in the future when you consider the holograms some people choose to represent themselves.
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Exactly this.
Telepresence being used to try to explain multicrew is a direct denial of everything else that has been established about the Elite universe. You cannot have everything that has been described to date, as it has been described, and have FTL transmissions. The two are mutually exclusive on every level. There is no room for compromise and I don't care who says what about it, they're wrong.
Either you completely rewrite everything that has been established over the last several years, or you get rid of telepresence/holograms as an explanation for multicrew. You can't have both.
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Most of those posts were debates about whether it would be applicable to the game lore, and the general consensus was that for both lore and gameplay reasons that no, it could not exist. Both among players and devs.
I was there reading those conversations too.
What about this one from 2014?
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...Team-FTL-Comms?p=785841&viewfull=1#post785841
Michael Brookes said:
Whether we consider holograms to be "low bandwidth" is the question in that case.
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Or just be a bit less rectal about everything. Thats an option too, you know.
Oh, this makes it even more painfully ironic. A post by you from today:
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I would be very surprised if it was low bandwidth. It isn't just holograms, its 2 way communication controlling ship funcitons in realtime.
Sure, its irrelevant:
"every time a player docks the ship computer is automatically updated to contain all hologram data of all members of the PF. The visual data can be activated by simply sending a 10-digit ID code."
There, done. Its all fake, so we can make up whatever we want to explain whatever we want.
What about it? It's nonsensical. Low bandwidth communications is still communication. That's like saying the Telegraph didn't have any measurable impact on human society.
Except it completely rewrote our history and changed the way the world works with nothing but dots and dashes, and eventually evolved into what we now call the internet. Even the earliest forms of telegraphy were earth-shattering in the changes they made.
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Awesome! That's exactly how I look at it too.
(No more rep left to give you unfortunately)
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By "what about it". I was actually asking if you feel that is retconned FLT comms lore too. Or maybe 2014 isn't early enough in the game development.
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I like the idear that we are morphing like in the Matrix, however that would require a NPC crewman to morph into
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWj8ezuoYkM
Hi Micheal,
Since you're going with the telepresence explanation for multicrew, and indeed now seem to be establishing it as an in-setting technology as part of the game's lore, how do you now plan to address the numerous inconsistencies this causes in regards to previously stated limitations around faster-than-light communications?
Will commodity trade data, Boom Data Deliveries, combat & bounty voucher delivery, exploration data restrictions, etc, etc, etc, all now be retconned to fit in with this new interpretation of communications tech in the Elite Dangerous universe?
Will there be a breakdown of how this tech works and how it changes other comms tech, with a mind to helping your community of fan writers and role-players find a solid footing for creative writing in Galnet and elsewhere?
Yeah, its amazing: This low-bandwith technology will even result in Multi-crew!
Oh, you were trying to make a different point?
I like the idear that we are morphing like in the Matrix, however that would require a NPC crewman to morph into
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWj8ezuoYkM
I prefer a seperate multicrew commander you create at the startup screen which can only be used for multicrew.
You can also use your normal commander, but you would need to meet up at a station to do that, and eject using an escape pod when you need to leave.
Indeed. Michael Brookes confirms FTL comms in 2014 as a part of the lore (and there are probably earlier mentions too). Then in 2017 that lore is used to explain multi-crew holograms. Seems fine to me.
Yet we are able to modify our appearance at any time? or once it is set is it just clothing e.t.c.?
Indeed. Michael Brookes confirms FTL comms in 2014 as a part of the lore (and there are probably earlier mentions too). Then in 2017 that lore is used to explain multi-crew holograms. Seems fine to me.
And what about all the others things in game that could use FTL communications that do not. Bounty vouchers, exploration data and commodities market etc, shouldnt that all change to fit?
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