It will be a shame if balance means 'Must be destroyable by a paper viper armed with two pea-shooters'. Big ships should be destroyable by groups of smaller ships, not lone wolves.
Fer de lance and expected python nerf
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micky1up
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in th eoriginal game the python and anaconda were big cumbersom trading ships slow and large what we do need are class specific ships explorers scouts fast traders slow traders and combat ships
1000 of hull mass and 500 of cargo in L9 is almost 3 times more than 350 hull mas and 270 cargo in Python.....
So definately python is medium, not large ship.
Even size of it - It is much smaller than large Clipper.
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ollobrains
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er could take a book from eve onlines book and introduce sub classes of ships with faction specific bonus ( bonus to missile, beam, pulse damage or rater of fire), specailised mining ships, specailised ships that get tonnage carrying bonuses to subtype cargo Ie 30% bonus to food storage, or mineral hauling ships that hold 30% more minerals so a 30T ship could hold 40T if the cargo was minerals ( compression technology etc)
A weak ship with a supercruise bonus, or a % boost to interdiction or interdiction avoidance for bounty smugglers, the list goes on if they decided to go down this route.
The type 9 has a better drive and FSD to ensure it can move that bulk around but from a physical size point of view they're both large ships and the game and stats treats them as such.
what i really dont understand is why you start nerfing the good ships instead of buffing up the crap ones. i would like to see a statistic of how many people use the ORCA and the Dropship. I am sure the numbers are below the 1% margin. Why not beef them up first?
Any ship is small compared to an Type-9, so that's not a fair comparison.
Sorry, i must disagree.
1. It can landing on medium pads.
2. It size is medium, closer to ASP than L9 or Clipper.
3. Ship and ladout is medium, much smaller than L9
It is not my comprasition, but Mike Evans.
1. It can landing on medium pads.
2. It size is medium, closer to ASP than L9 or Clipper.
3. Ship and ladout is medium, much smaller than L9
Any ship is small compared to an Type-9, so that's not a fair comparison.
It is not my comprasition, but Mike Evans.
It doesn't matter if it's classified as "Medium" in the game. What matters is the fact that it's much fatter than the Cobra and everything below it, and although it is similar in size to the Asp, it has far superior upgrade potential - better guns, shields, and everything else. Currently, a pilot of an A-grade Python can smoke anything smaller than himself 1x1 if he's not a noob.
No, I don't have a Python. Maybe I should elaborate: I meant that currently the Python has tons of strengths (firepower, defense, maneuverability) and not enough weaknesses (max speed, high cost). The cost is even not really a weakness - anyone who can buy a Python already knows how to make money quickly in ED. It doesn't mean that it's indestructible.
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The python uses medium pads and seems to be treated as a medium ship, it can land at outposts unlike the T9. Also, manoeuvrability is king - the Python is the only larger ship that can keep smaller fighters off its tail, if that goes it'll have to be relegated back to trading only in my view (I'm sure others will have a different opinion). Other than trading do you see any in-game role for larger ships?
Because it is a little bigger than Asp
Comparable width but longer.
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Except the Python can land on medium docking pads, which sort of implies it's either a medium ship or bugged.
My fully loaded combat Python is 895 tons.
I'd like the ships left alone until at least the full range of ships is in the game and we can see how each piece fits in the game.
Also, if there is no "ultimate trade ship" or "ultimate combat ship" what's the point? Otherwise every ship is a Sidewinder with a bigger price tag.
It's like complaining every sports car should be speed-limited to 60mph or mopeds are at a disadvantage. Not a very strong argument.
Some ships should be better and some should be a lot better. A Python can be tougher than an Anaconda, but it carries less cargo and has a much smaller jump range.
I vote for continued diversity.
Also, if there is no "ultimate trade ship" or "ultimate combat ship" what's the point? Otherwise every ship is a Sidewinder with a bigger price tag.
It's like complaining every sports car should be speed-limited to 60mph or mopeds are at a disadvantage. Not a very strong argument.
Some ships should be better and some should be a lot better. A Python can be tougher than an Anaconda, but it carries less cargo and has a much smaller jump range.
I vote for continued diversity.
I think adding differently named variants just confuses people and increases the learning curve (a Rattlesnake is a PVE focused Scorpion, really?). The same variability can be achieved by fittings alone.
For the non freighters, it's like that (if player controlled with equal players, obviously a good player will be able to exploit advantages).
However, the Python punches way beyond what it should. If I matched equals in a Python and Anaconda, the Python would win most of the time, because it has an easier time getting 3 class 3's to bear, while having the same shield.
The AI is less good than human players, but the higher rated ones (and often ones in the wild are better than the Conda assassin target ones) can cause real trouble.
With the cost, the Anaconda is about 3x as expensive, but has way more disadvantages. The Cobra costs more than 2x as much as the Viper, but we hear people saying the Viper as a dedicated fighter needs buffs or Cobra nerfs (note I don't think so, the Viper has a load of advantages in its role).
What is needed is believable capability for each ship in it's size category. Currently, the Python is not it, as it is so agile while having massive firepower and insane (so much it looks bugged) shield values compared to the equivalents. The other 'big ships' are pointless in comparison, with the Clipper being the only one that has the advantage that she can run away.
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Agreed..
OK.
So you dont played this ship, you dont know it advantages and disadvantages and you do not know what are you talking about.
This is NOT a godship. Player in Python could be easly beaten by player in Viper, but it require skill.
If you know how to make money you have better ship. Thas how world works.
In real life, if you know how to make money you have Ferrari. If not, you go by foot.
Better ship is bounty from playing game and making money.
Example in mopeds direct to the point.
Agree.
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