I personally have a friend working over at Logitech, I don't know how it works with the usual customer support but I can replace my product whenever I want
But yeah, Logitech frankly saved the Saitek line...
Final decision: Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS vs Logitech G Saitek Pro Flight X56 Rhino
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I personally have a friend working over at Logitech, I don't know how it works with the usual customer support but I can replace my product whenever I want
But yeah, Logitech frankly saved the Saitek line...
Greetings,
The Saitek/Logitech X-56 is the best well designed HOTAS for playing Elite Dangerous and flight simulators on the PC. It rarely needs a custom profile and is well supported directly in the many applications both in gaming and professional flight training. It has a mode switch with three positions so those into dialing in perfection have three different HOTAS they can program. It is a brilliant design and I applaud their engineers. That is the good news.
The bad news is that it currently inherits the failures of the Saitek X-55 with manufacturing quality. The yaw spring breaks without a replacement the consumer could buy to fix it. Joystick centering from a max position in the X-56 is often off by 10 percent and requires a software fix (they figured that one out and it is free). The throttle has so much grease that it takes major pressure to start it then the resistance is lowered per moving it. After a 2000 plus moves it does works where it should be on day one. The X-56 is too new per considering the wiring failures of the X-55. The bottom line is if you buy it get the best warranty add-on you can get.
Next up is the Thrustmaster T16000m. Very solid, reliable and can program just about everything comparable to an X-56 without the 3 mode switch. Instead of a rotating throttle as in most flight controls it uses a push-pull linear throttle which takes getting use to. The advantage is the hand is always on the buttons and doesn't have to adjust per a rotating throttle position. Immersive it feels more like a game controller with a smaller joystick versus the well designed x-56.
Next up is the Thrustmaster Warthog with the TOTALLY immersive experience of flying the Fairchild Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II in X-Plane. It is very precise, excellent quality with few failures per many sold. It requires rudder pedals but many ED players have programmed this into the controls. It is the most solid and accurate HOTAS on the market (which is why it is very expensive) but it wasn't designed for Elite Dangerous. If a player is into ED combat it works very well. Trying to program all the other experiences in the game such as advanced SRV skills and it is going to be lacking.
I own them all and personally play with the X-56 on the PC with a great warranty when it will eventually fail. It is mostly about the joystick failing so I use the X-56 throttle and the Warthog joystick when it fails. The Warthog joystick has the same abilities as the X-56 version. Maybe that is the ultimate gaming solution.
Regards
The Saitek/Logitech X-56 is the best well designed HOTAS for playing Elite Dangerous and flight simulators on the PC. It rarely needs a custom profile and is well supported directly in the many applications both in gaming and professional flight training. It has a mode switch with three positions so those into dialing in perfection have three different HOTAS they can program. It is a brilliant design and I applaud their engineers. That is the good news.
The bad news is that it currently inherits the failures of the Saitek X-55 with manufacturing quality. The yaw spring breaks without a replacement the consumer could buy to fix it. Joystick centering from a max position in the X-56 is often off by 10 percent and requires a software fix (they figured that one out and it is free). The throttle has so much grease that it takes major pressure to start it then the resistance is lowered per moving it. After a 2000 plus moves it does works where it should be on day one. The X-56 is too new per considering the wiring failures of the X-55. The bottom line is if you buy it get the best warranty add-on you can get.
Next up is the Thrustmaster T16000m. Very solid, reliable and can program just about everything comparable to an X-56 without the 3 mode switch. Instead of a rotating throttle as in most flight controls it uses a push-pull linear throttle which takes getting use to. The advantage is the hand is always on the buttons and doesn't have to adjust per a rotating throttle position. Immersive it feels more like a game controller with a smaller joystick versus the well designed x-56.
Next up is the Thrustmaster Warthog with the TOTALLY immersive experience of flying the Fairchild Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II in X-Plane. It is very precise, excellent quality with few failures per many sold. It requires rudder pedals but many ED players have programmed this into the controls. It is the most solid and accurate HOTAS on the market (which is why it is very expensive) but it wasn't designed for Elite Dangerous. If a player is into ED combat it works very well. Trying to program all the other experiences in the game such as advanced SRV skills and it is going to be lacking.
I own them all and personally play with the X-56 on the PC with a great warranty when it will eventually fail. It is mostly about the joystick failing so I use the X-56 throttle and the Warthog joystick when it fails. The Warthog joystick has the same abilities as the X-56 version. Maybe that is the ultimate gaming solution.
Regards
Thrustmaster, for the following reasons:
1 Build quality. This thing is going to take a hammering.
2 Extendability. Thrustmaster has a terrific throttle and pedals that play nicely with the stick. You can also go for another stick (they're reversible) if a dual-stick
3 Build quality. It bears repeating because it's not just strength, it's precision and there's absolutely no "give" in the Thrustmaster's bodywork. It's nice when the hardware doesn't impose a massive deadzone on you.
1 Build quality. This thing is going to take a hammering.
2 Extendability. Thrustmaster has a terrific throttle and pedals that play nicely with the stick. You can also go for another stick (they're reversible) if a dual-stick
3 Build quality. It bears repeating because it's not just strength, it's precision and there's absolutely no "give" in the Thrustmaster's bodywork. It's nice when the hardware doesn't impose a massive deadzone on you.
Sorry to necromance the thread. But thought I would share my thoughts and experiences.
I started out playing ED with the (Red) HOTAS X. The stick was great and I loved it. I soon upgraded to the X55 Rhino (because those switches). I fell in love with the full forward throttle and no centre sent. Gave me far better control of my speed. And those amazing switches. Felt great every time I clicked one.
The throttle was stiff of you didn't move it for a bit.
Fast forward 8 months and the unit died. One of the hats (castle) died. The south position. So I used the witch's hat as a stand in. Then I got ghosting and the throttle started jumping reported positions. RMA time.
I did this at the time of Logitech purchasing Saitek. And fought for over 3 months just to find out who had my X55.
Eventually I got an X56 Rhino from Logitech. Out of the box the throttle tension adjuster was gubbed. Then the twist went on the stick, after 6 days. I was using my racing wheel for the SRV at this point too.
After more calls to Logitech I got a full refund but they never collected the faulty X56.
So I bought 2x T16000m. Set up a dual stick with racing wheel pedals for throttle.
Took me a while to adjust. But I won't be going back to a HOTAS for the PC (but have for the PS4).
The control I now have is amazing. I have now removed the throttle arms from the X56 and use the switches as another input and the rest of my controls are mapped to the stick and face buttons of the racing wheel.
This game gives you massive customisability for the PC. Take advantage of it. It's worth it.
I started out playing ED with the (Red) HOTAS X. The stick was great and I loved it. I soon upgraded to the X55 Rhino (because those switches). I fell in love with the full forward throttle and no centre sent. Gave me far better control of my speed. And those amazing switches. Felt great every time I clicked one.
The throttle was stiff of you didn't move it for a bit.
Fast forward 8 months and the unit died. One of the hats (castle) died. The south position. So I used the witch's hat as a stand in. Then I got ghosting and the throttle started jumping reported positions. RMA time.
I did this at the time of Logitech purchasing Saitek. And fought for over 3 months just to find out who had my X55.
Eventually I got an X56 Rhino from Logitech. Out of the box the throttle tension adjuster was gubbed. Then the twist went on the stick, after 6 days. I was using my racing wheel for the SRV at this point too.
After more calls to Logitech I got a full refund but they never collected the faulty X56.
So I bought 2x T16000m. Set up a dual stick with racing wheel pedals for throttle.
Took me a while to adjust. But I won't be going back to a HOTAS for the PC (but have for the PS4).
The control I now have is amazing. I have now removed the throttle arms from the X56 and use the switches as another input and the rest of my controls are mapped to the stick and face buttons of the racing wheel.
This game gives you massive customisability for the PC. Take advantage of it. It's worth it.
DO NOT go for the x56. I had three x55 and one x56 and all had a broken twist axis after a few weeks or months. In the ~3 years i had these at least 50% of the time something was broken an i was waiting for RMA stuff.
Then i got the T16k Hotas. It has less buttons and feels more like a toy, but it is very precise, has no issues despite excessive testing, and i find the analoge rudder in the back of the throttle perfect for ED (i use it for forward/backward thrust). Plus, using modifiers i had no issues mapping all controls to the Hotas (i use the two buttons in the back of the throttle as mod keys).
EDIT:
Oh, i only now realized this is an old thread.
Then i got the T16k Hotas. It has less buttons and feels more like a toy, but it is very precise, has no issues despite excessive testing, and i find the analoge rudder in the back of the throttle perfect for ED (i use it for forward/backward thrust). Plus, using modifiers i had no issues mapping all controls to the Hotas (i use the two buttons in the back of the throttle as mod keys).
EDIT:
Oh, i only now realized this is an old thread.
The T16000M is (despite previous comments to the contrary) objectively better than the x52 Pro. It's more accurate and has a superior throw.
The only area where the x52 is better is the number and placement of hats. This can be compensated for with a shift button.
The only negative about the T16000M is the fire button, which can be a little delicate.
I own both sticks, and have used them both for more than 1,000 game hours.
The only area where the x52 is better is the number and placement of hats. This can be compensated for with a shift button.
The only negative about the T16000M is the fire button, which can be a little delicate.
I own both sticks, and have used them both for more than 1,000 game hours.