Formidine Rift... what is it?

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Which arm is she referring to? Remember she was telling it from the perspective of the old hyperdrives, not the ones we currently use.

Its a bit ambiguous but the book refers to the edge of the galactic arm, which technically is the edge of the New Outer arm. But following the Reorte-Riedquat line, that takes you to almost the tail end of the New Outer arm, so once that arm trails off into nothingness, the new edge of the galactic arm becomes the outer fringe of the Perseus arm because of the spiral nature of the galaxy.

I went for the inter arm void between the Perseus arm and the trailing end of the New Outer arm as being the Rift since that makes sense from a physical aspect .i.e. a rift being a gap/break between two physical points.

You make a good point about the hyperdrives. To spacefarers back then I would say their edge of the galaxy would indeed be the Perseus arm, as anything beyond that would be way out of range and probably never thought of as relevant to the story.
 
When I read the book a while back I took an educated guess at where it is and pictured it between the outer Perseus rim, and the near fringe of the New Outer arm. I've been out there and the star density is obviously very diffuse, defiantly got a 'rift' feel about it :)

A while back I added it to the galactic mapping project. You can have a look and see if it falls in with where you think it should be and I'll happily remake the map if I'm off by a large margin. I guess Drew is the only one who really knows where it is and he may want to keep it secret for any sequels ;)

Link:
Galactic Mapping - Community Project

The Formidine Rift is marked on the following map...

MAP-09 WESTERN INTERMEDIATE REGION (2ND QUADRANT)

Edit: I would also speculate the rift stretches right along the Perseus arm rim, right up to the edge of Hyponia in map 08 ?

I think your placement is actually pretty close to where I was imagining. I had forgotten how detailed your rather excellent maps are, Erimus!

Which arm is she referring to? Remember she was telling it from the perspective of the old hyperdrives, not the ones we currently use.

You are right in that many of the characters, background and technology in Drew's fiction makes reference to the old Elite (or possibly Oolite) view of the galaxy, but I strongly suspect that the directional clue given here was created specifically to be geographically accurate for the Elite: Dangerous galaxy.

I went for the inter arm void between the Perseus arm and the trailing end of the New Outer arm as being the Rift since that makes sense from a physical aspect .i.e. a rift being a gap/break between two physical points.

I'm thinking that your estimation is probably correct here. I too am favouring the Perseus arm, but probably on much weaker evidence than you - the story of Perseus is one surrounded by fear. Perseus was the grandchild of Acrisius, who was fearful of a prophesy that a son born of his daughter Danae would grow up to kill him. He undertook the quest to slay the gorgon Medusa, whose gaze was so fearful that it turned men to stone. Perseus is rightly described in various texts as "The master of fear".

It is probably me trying to create a connection here rather than read one already there, but it does feel to me like the Formidine rift could well be on the far side of the Perseus arm.
 
You are right in that many of the characters, background and technology in Drew's fiction makes reference to the old Elite (or possibly Oolite) view of the galaxy, but I strongly suspect that the directional clue given here was created specifically to be geographically accurate for the Elite: Dangerous galaxy.

The story does mention (in fact, a lot of it is about) the new hyperdrives coming in, so it may be more than just something to do with the old Elite. It is still likely in that direction though, I'm going through the Perseus Arm right now.
 
I'm thinking that your estimation is probably correct here. I too am favouring the Perseus arm, but probably on much weaker evidence than you - the story of Perseus is one surrounded by fear. Perseus was the grandchild of Acrisius, who was fearful of a prophesy that a son born of his daughter Danae would grow up to kill him. He undertook the quest to slay the gorgon Medusa, whose gaze was so fearful that it turned men to stone. Perseus is rightly described in various texts as "The master of fear".

It is probably me trying to create a connection here rather than read one already there, but it does feel to me like the Formidine rift could well be on the far side of the Perseus arm.

I like your classical analysis, but fear you may be overthinking it. ;)

The first reference to the Formidine Rift I ever saw was in Drew's book Incursio, which was written in 2011 and set in the Oolite galaxy (which is not modelled on the Milky Way). As such I don't think your Perseus theory works as it pre-dates the E: D galaxy.

Of course, the fact that this area of space was named before E: D does not preclude an author as sneaky as Drew retro-fitting it into position by the Perseus Arm...! I'm just saying that it was not named based on its location, but before it was located.

Right, I'm off to scour that area with my Asp. I think Erimus is onto something with his Hyponia surveying - an area that huge with that many systems requiring permits has got to be a prime candidate for Thargoid space.
 
I've been across that direction and hit a wall. My 30LY jump range may not be enough, but I pretty much followed the line, but unless I sidetrack round to the New arm, I don't think I can make it across what I think could be the rift.

Any fresh ideas?
 
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I've been across that direction and hit a wall. My 30LY jump range may not be enough, but I pretty much followed the line, but unless I sidetrack round to the New arm, I don't think I can make it across what I think could be the rift.

Any fresh ideas?

What system did you reach? I'll mark that region on the map as an exploration hazard.
 
Thanks, I'll be likely looking for ways round, and make sure I get the right elevation if it is in line with Reorte/Riedquat (who are in the same plane).

I started moving left of my original position (over to near where you were last located on the map).
There seems to be a bridge of stars that look crossable about 500ly away.
 
I'd like to draw everyone's attention to this post by Drew, where he says

CMDRs may wish to consider the, ahem, core of the problem.

He refers to the Riedquat-Reorte line. In my interpretation, he means the line is to be taken core-wards.

Also, Riedquat and Reorte have the exact same Y coordinate, meaning a line through them stays in the same horizontal plane. It is not too hard to get their coordinates and generate coordinates along that line that extend either side, with full precision. I'll do that if there is interest.
 
He refers to the Riedquat-Reorte line. In my interpretation, he means the line is to be taken core-wards.

Also, Riedquat and Reorte have the exact same Y coordinate, meaning a line through them stays in the same horizontal plane. It is not too hard to get their coordinates and generate coordinates along that line that extend either side, with full precision. I'll do that if there is interest.


The actual line is Reorte to Riedquat in the book which the other direction. I'm not saying you are wrong, but based on the book, the core would be the wrong direction.
 
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I'd like to draw everyone's attention to this post by Drew, where he says



He refers to the Riedquat-Reorte line. In my interpretation, he means the line is to be taken core-wards.

Also, Riedquat and Reorte have the exact same Y coordinate, meaning a line through them stays in the same horizontal plane. It is not too hard to get their coordinates and generate coordinates along that line that extend either side, with full precision. I'll do that if there is interest.

That is one interpretation of core.
 
I'd like to draw everyone's attention to this post by Drew, where he says



He refers to the Riedquat-Reorte line. In my interpretation, he means the line is to be taken core-wards.

Also, Riedquat and Reorte have the exact same Y coordinate, meaning a line through them stays in the same horizontal plane. It is not too hard to get their coordinates and generate coordinates along that line that extend either side, with full precision. I'll do that if there is interest.

The actual line is Reorte to Riedquat in the book which the other direction. I'm not saying you are wrong, but based on the book, the core would be the wrong direction.

Or maybe one goes in the opposite direction, through and past the core, and to the other rim?
 
I was jotting down the clues for finding the Formidine Rift and thought I’d post a summary here for anyone else interested.
The Formidine Rift incidentally is often written about by Drew Wagar in his Elite novels as the home, or at least a connection to Thargoids. The most recent Elite: Reclamation is an official Elite Dangerous novel which provides clues to the location of the rift.

Clue 1:
The novel mentions to find the rift, line up Reorte to Riedquat and keep going.
Lining up these two stars takes you away from the core and will eventually take you to the out rim. It's logical to assume then that the rift is on that path

Note: Drew has also dropped a clue referencing the ‘core of the matter’ which does cast some doubt on this. Core could however reference the core of a cluster or sector and not necessarily the core of the galaxy.

Drew also mentioned to watch GalNet over the next few weeks/months as this will make the problem ‘less nebuless’. On the way to the outer core there is the Heart and Soul nebular, both of which have been heavily explored, including myself and cmd Poseidal. Given Drew’s comment we have excluded searching in nebula’s.

Clue 2:
The novel mentions the stars thin out and you can see the whole galaxy just hanging there.
That would appear to indicate that we need to head away from the core rather than towards (you wouldn’t see the entire galaxy from the core)

Notes
Reorte and Riedquat are not exactly on the same plane, so given enough ly, the eventual destination could be above the galactic plain.- - not correct. Both are on Y:48.75 - thanks for correcting me

So the reference could be related to looking down on the galaxy from above. The reference also seems to indicate that its some considerable distance away.

Clue 3:
Drew has said that the inspiration for ‘Formidine’ comes from the Latin for fear, terror, dread etc.
Myself and cmd Poseidal have made our way beyond the Persus Arm (some 12k ly from Sol) and have been trying to cross an area where the stars thin out, ie a rift. It’s a difficult area to cross and captures the fear pretty nicely. You will experience dread when you hit 5 or 6 unscoopable stars in a row and watching you fuel tank drain.

The clues we have are pretty vague at best, but that’s why we love a mystery. Based on what clues we have, my guess is the rift is beyond the Perseus Arm and between the area known as the New Outer Arm. Why? because the direction matches up with clue 1. It’s far enough away that it matches clue 2, and as I mentioned, it’s pretty hairy trying to get across the rift which matches clue 3.

In the excellent community mapping post by cmd Erimus, also came to the same conclusion (see the map)

Would FD put content so far away from the core systems where so few would be able to visit?

Arguments against
Very few players are going to make a 15k+ ly trip to visit the Thargoid home world.
With nowhere to dock it’s unrealistic get it to any space battles
There don’t appear to be any permit required systems out there (at least not discovered yet)

Arguments for
There is no reason why aliens would be living in our back yard. It’s more likely that they are far away
No one has said they have to be unfriendly, it may be possible to dock at a Thargoid station and do missions for them. (there is a Thargoid major faction in the program files)
From a story perspective it would make sense that an explorer stumbles upon an alien inhabited sector

What do I expect to find?
Good question. Currently we are looking for a needle in a field of billions of haystacks. To make matters worse, we don’t know what the needle looks like, or even if they needle is in the haystack yet. It's highly possible that we could have fully mapped the systems but the content hasn't been added.

David Braben has said that there is stuff in deep space. The recently unknown artifacts were not deep space objects in my opinion (they are found in cargo holds of ship convoys) so I still believe there is something out there waiting to be discovered. More likely an inhabited sector rather than a single planet in the haystack.

If you are hunting for the rift, feel free to add me (cmd Lestenio), I dare say cmd Poseidal who is a few hundred ly away from my location also trying to traverse what we think is the rift, would love to hear from you too.
 
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Reorte and Riedquat are not exactly on the same plane, so given enough ly, the eventual destination could be above the galactic plain.
So the reference could be related to looking down on the galaxy from above. The reference also seems to indicate that its some considerable distance away.

That's a nice summary but I have to take issue with the above. What is your source for Riedquat and Reorte not being on the same plane?

EDDB has Reorte and Riedquat both at Y=48.75 (note, counter-intuitively it is Y that determines "height" in the galaxy map).
 
That's a nice summary but I have to take issue with the above. What is your source for Riedquat and Reorte not being on the same plane?

EDDB has Reorte and Riedquat both at Y=48.75 (note, counter-intuitively it is Y that determines "height" in the galaxy map).

I'll double check it when I get home. It's really hard to line them up, but when I tried it looked to me that Riedquat was slightly higher.
I'll conceded that you may be correct however, lining them up in the galaxy map isn't easy.
 
IIRC all of the old worlds were all in the same 'plane' as each other.

How old was the woman who mentioned it originally, by the way?
 
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