Formidine Rift... what is it?

[Jorki Rasalas]

That makes sense, I will follow your words. I will head into the rift from the far side then... Good that an Englishman cleared this for me! Thanks!

I was just clarifying the English grammar (as of 2016). Natural language evolves over time, so by 3300 (or whatever date Reclamation is set in- hope to start reading it today) the grammatical rules may have changed!

Moreover, I appreciate that the clues we have seen (from Drew, MB, etc) are rather woolly & confusing- I suspect intentionally!

I take no responsibility for any misunderstanding, misinterpretation, misdirection, or any other mis...!

 

[Han_Zen]

I am trying to get together one of my normal spreadsheets for the Formidine Mystery, one thing I would like is "How far from the RR Line any system is"
Given an X,Y,Z, and the line Z=0.782805 * X + 15.8587 (Y=48.75) are there any mathematicians how might be able to give me the distance of the point from the line ?

This might be usable: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Point-LineDistance3-Dimensional.html

I haven't tested.

 

[CMDR Corlas]

I think it's worth pointing out that the phrase "no one has ever gone there and lived to tell the tale", and variations of it, is not unheard of in English. And it's rarely meant 100% literally.

It's entirely possible that it's meant literally, but usually it just means "it's very dangerous and I don't know of anyone who has survived it".

I think it's important not to get so bogged down in the exact literal and completely pendantic definitions of sentences that we ignore how language is actually used.

 

[Han_Zen]

I'll have some of what he is smoking

That's not what the tinfoil is intended for.

 

[piy]

Hahaha u made me spill my beer

 

[domaq]

That's not what the tinfoil is intended for.

It's hard to fit the tinfoil hat around these alien probes in my nu...nu...nugget. Thus the herbs.

 

[Dielos]

with this in mind we should concentrate on the r-r line between x=-7000 and x=-9000. i'm gonna calculate new y values in 100ly steps in between.

-7.000,00	-5.463,78	HYPOAE AIM XT-O B33-1	behind heart&soul nebula
-8.000,00	-6.246,58	PHOI AESCS HS-W B56-0	edge of the rift
-9.000,00	-7.029,39	PHOI AESCS SP-G C10-0	inside the rift

will edit with new coordinaters and systems next to it.

Had an Excel table to calculate these coordinates, but somehow the formulas messed up and it doesn't work. What do I need to do to calculate coordinates?

I'm at the far side of the rift, and what you're doing would be great for me also when coming from behind...

 

[piy]

Reclamation came in the post yesterday. I have a kindle but I reserve it for when I can't get hold of a copy of a book. I like to add them to my growing collection (much to my wife's annoyance )

I was happy to read on the back that 10% of the proceeds going to Ashford dyslexia center.

Being dyslexic myself I know what this kind of support can do for people with dyslexia. Back in the 80s when I was in school there was hardly any support and it was widely misunderstood. I was lucky enough to have a mother that fought tooth and nail to raise funds for my schools special needs department for equipment. Without the help I got I would never have even been entered for my g.c.s.e.'s let alone pass them.

Thank you drew and fantastic books! o7

 

[PuzzlePlate]

There are as well other important things that might be of relevance, like the Seven Veils, and Kahina's trip to Sol. I didn't search for all quotes and hints from Drew, so a lot are missing here, like the one with the "core of the problem". We should really find a way to put all hints in the same place, we somehow need to join all the dots...

I still believe there's something specific in the Sol trip... something that happens in March, she didn't want to be late and she seemed to come unannounced, for example. on March 15 3301, it seemed that the feds never gave her a formal welcoming.

In an apparent show of solidarity for the visiting Senator and in protest at her perceived shabby treatment at the hands of her Federation hosts, dozens of independent Commanders have volunteered to escort Lady Kahina Tijani Loren's Imperial Courier through Federal space for the duration of her trip.

The unofficial escort is primarily composed of Imperial Cutters in private ownership, causing acute embarrassment to the Federation, who are powerless to prevent newsfeed images of what appears to be a sizeable Imperial fleet gallivanting unchallenged against the unmistakeable backdrop of core Federation worlds.


Lady Kahina was briefly interviewed by The Mars Herald and was asked, "What do you think of your welcome into Federal space?"


She replied with "When I receive one, I shall let you know."

 

[piy]

Puzzle did you read what..I think it was han zen put on this thread about that time being lined up with RHO CASSIOPEIAE? It was WELL over my head, but looking at how crazy the U.A. mystery has been with the Morse code I wouldn't put it passed frontier.

 

[Han_Zen]

I still believe there's something specific in the Sol trip... something that happens in March, she didn't want to be late and she seemed to come unannounced, for example. on March 15 3301, it seemed that the feds never gave her a formal welcoming.

She had to be in Cambridge/London on the spring equinox on March 21. That day, Earth passes through the celestial plane and she could sit in her cockpit and compare old observations with data on her HUD.

Mars was probably only to get the Earth permit. She landed on Earth on March 20.

 

[piy]

She had to be in Cambridge/London on the spring equinox on March 21. That day, Earth passes through the celestial plane and she could sit in her cockpit and compare old observations with data on her HUD.

Mars was probably only to get the Earth permit. She landed on Earth on March 20.

Yeah! I KNEW it was something like that! Lol

 

[Dielos]

She had to be in Cambridge/London on the spring equinox on March 21. That day, Earth passes through the celestial plane and she could sit in her cockpit and compare old observations with data on her HUD.

Mars was probably only to get the Earth permit. She landed on Earth on March 20.

I still have no idea what this means or what to make out of it, but it sounds seriously relevant...


By the way, Han_Zen, that quote from your signature... Where do you have it from? Don't remember it from the book... Might be my memory though.

 

[tachyondecay]

I am trying to get together one of my normal spreadsheets for the Formidine Mystery, one thing I would like is "How far from the RR Line any system is"
Given an X,Y,Z, and the line Z=0.782805 * X + 15.8587 (Y=48.75) are there any mathematicians how might be able to give me the distance of the point from the line ?

Did someone call for a MATHEMATICIAN? Hi! New to the forums, just kind of browsing around exploration related stuff, and I smelled math.

For those who are simply interested in getting a distance, here's a pretty little calculator whipped up as a Geogebra worksheet.

For those of you wanting Excel magic, the formula is not simple, but it's pretty easy to use once you have it set up.

Given the x, y, z coordinates for Reorte and Riedqual are in cells B2, C2, D2 and B3, C3, D3, respectively, and you enter the x, y, z coordinates of your third system in cells B4, C4, and D4, respectively, then the formula is:

=SQRT(((C4-C2)*(D4-D3)-(D4-D2)*(C4-C3))^2 + ((D4-D2)*(B4-B3)-(B4-B2)*(D4-D3))^2 + ((B4-B2)*(C4-C3)-(C4-C2)*(B4-B3))^2)/SQRT((B2-B3)^2 + (C2-C3)^2 + (D2-D3)^2)

This is an Excel-ified version of the final point–line distance formula on the Wolfram page Han_Zen linked to above.

Here is a Google spreadsheet with my setup.

 

[Dielos]

Did someone call for a MATHEMATICIAN? Hi! New to the forums, just kind of browsing around exploration related stuff, and I smelled math.

For those who are simply interested in getting a distance, here's a pretty little calculator whipped up as a Geogebra worksheet.

For those of you wanting Excel magic, the formula is not simple, but it's pretty easy to use once you have it set up.

Given the x, y, z coordinates for Reorte and Riedqual are in cells B2, C2, D2 and B3, C3, D3, respectively, and you enter the x, y, z coordinates of your third system in cells B4, C4, and D4, respectively, then the formula is:

=SQRT(((C4-C2)*(D4-D3)-(D4-D2)*(C4-C3))^2 + ((D4-D2)*(B4-B3)-(B4-B2)*(D4-D3))^2 + ((B4-B2)*(C4-C3)-(C4-C2)*(B4-B3))^2)/SQRT((B2-B3)^2 + (C2-C3)^2 + (D2-D3)^2)

This is an Excel-ified version of the final point–line distance formula on the Wolfram page Han_Zen linked to above.

Here is a Google spreadsheet with my setup.

WOW!!! Thank you newcomer!!! Amazing work! I really like that GeoGebra calculator! Do you think something similar could be made that would do the opposite? You have the distance, but not the coordinates?

And by the way, good nose!

 

[piy]

If I could do math like you guys I'd change my name to "vordeman" .....and I bet that's spelled wrong lol.....OK stopping the non productive posts now

 

[Han_Zen]

Puzzle did you read what..I think it was han zen put on this thread about that time being lined up with RHO CASSIOPEIAE? It was WELL over my head, but looking at how crazy the U.A. mystery has been with the Morse code I wouldn't put it passed frontier.

It does not line up with Rho Cas in particular. Rho Cas is however the perfect 'lighthouse' to find the spot in question. It is reasonably close to the RR line and old data (what we have in 2016) are accurate because of the magnitude.

If you know your field of view angle, you can get the exact spot on the sky box.

The only problem is knowing which 'old' phenomenon, she was looking for.

A phenomenon visible from Earth in 2016, but not in 3302 is my guess.

 

[Alkibiades]

X	Y	nearest system	Y=.782805 * X + 15.8587
-7.000,00	-5.463,78	HYPOAE AIM XT-O B33-1	behind heart&soul nebula
-7.100,00	-5.573,77	HYPOAE AIM AK-X B28-1
-7.200,00	-5.652,05	HYPOAE AIM DQ-E B25-0
-7.300,00	-5.730,33	HYPOAE AIM EL-N B20-0
-7.400,00	-5.808,61	HYPOAE AIM IM-U B16-1
-7.500,00	-5.886,89	HYPOAE AIM UO-Z B13-0	brown dwarf layer at z -40
-7.600,00	-5.965,17	HYPOAE AIM XE-R C4-2	--||--
-7.700,00	-6.043,45	HYPOAE AIM CW-N B6-0	--||--
-7.800,00	-6.121,73	HYPOAE AIM TZ-U B2-0	--||--
-7.900,00	-6.200,01	PHOI AESCS WJ-X C28-1
-8.000,00	-6.246,58	PHOI AESCS HS-W B56-0	edge of the rift
-8.100,00	-6.356,57	PHOI AESCS FR-C C26-1	looks reachable
-8.200,00	-6.434,85	PHOI AESCS GW-E D11-2	looks reachable
-8.300,00	-6.513,14	PHOI AESCS KS-J C22-0	inside the rift, possibly reachable from the inner arm
-8.400,00	-6.591,42	PHOI AESCS ZP-G D10-2	--||--
-8.500,00	-6.669,70	no stars
-8.600,00	-6.747,98	no stars
-8.700,00	-6.826,26	PHOI AESCS KX-L D7-1	looks unreachable
-8.800,00	-6.904,54	PHOI AESCS FC-D C12-0	--||--
-8.900,00	-6.982,82	no stars
-9.000,00	-7.029,39	PHOI AESCS SP-G C10-0	inside the rift, possibly reachable from the outer arm

 

[piy]

It does not line up with Rho Cas in particular. Rho Cas is however the perfect 'lighthouse' to find the spot in question. It is reasonably close to the RR line and old data (what we have in 2016) are accurate because of the magnitude.

If you know your field of view angle, you can get the exact spot on the sky box.

The only problem is knowing which 'old' phenomenon, she was looking for.

A phenomenon visible from Earth in 2016, but not in 3302 is my guess.

Ahhh. ..OK clear as mud. Hope han zen understands. Thanks for trying to explain though

I'll get back to honking and scanning haha o7

 

[two quiet suns]

surely the old phenomenon is rho cass as by the time 3302 comes around it will be different?