Two words...
Distant
Worlds
Distant Worlds
Dark Wheel
Drew Wagar
Something smells fishy! And it aint me
Formidine Rift... what is it?
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Distant Worlds
Dark Wheel
Drew Wagar
Something smells fishy! And it aint me
If you want to see an excellent example of how to provide a summary of salient facts in a vast megathread then you should check out the excellent job that Cmdr Rizzal has been doing for the Canonn on the first page (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=227901) of the UA thread. Debunked theories are part of the science & should be noted; you'll need to have good precis skills though.
Putting it on the first page makes it easily accessible, though I'm not sure if you could do that retrospectively on this thread-suggest you ask a moderator.
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Okay... I've been thinking about the "core" of the problem. I've come to two conclusions as the what this is:
1. The core of the problem is, of course, the Formidine Rift itself.
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2. The core refers to our galactic core.
Okay... by now we all know that Formidine is an ablative case of the Latin "Formido" which means fear. Being ablative it mean moving away from something... but moving away from what exactly? Well... moving away from the Core of our galaxy.
What is our galaxy? Well... it's the Milky Way. That name, "Milky Way" comes to us from Latin: "Via Lactea".
"Formidine Via Lactea" literally means "Fear of the Milky Way" in such a way that whomever is afraid of the galaxy is moving away from it.
My conclusion is that whatever (whoever) we find in the rift is out there because they are trying to escape from something. Whatever is out there is out there because it is as far as it can get from whatever is driving this fear. The question is what will we find first: Those who are trying to escape this fear or that which is the cause of this fear in the first place?
Oh... and now that the tinfoil hats are firmly affixed: Drew Wagar/Dark Wheel. DW. Coincidence? I think not!
Lactophobic Thargoids perhaps?
Didn't take it as undermining at all. Someone had asked for links to more lore info, so that's what started my summary. It was put together quickly as I didn't have a whole lot of time to access my pc at that moment. I can work on a full summary, but with my schedule it might take me a bit. Things have been hectic around my house for a couple of days.
And I do agree about all info being there.. Just simply didn't have the time to fish for every little piece of info, so I chose the things that seem to be lore related or things Drew has said. The lore links may not contain clues, but they're a good reference for those looking to learn more about the things at play or just learn about the history of Elite.
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The mods may be able to edit the first post for us.
Doubtful, what you need is a volunteer to step up and take over the thread. If it's not the OP then this thread will get closed and the volunteer starts a new one with #2 at the end. Then they can edit the first page. It's how the UA and CG ones are run.
Re; Salomè taking part in Distant Worlds, has anybody actually seen her? Drew has implied she's running ahead of the fleet, I'm guessing in open play since she's not in the Kamzel group. I'd love to know where she's heading
+sort of making the assumption that CMDR Salomè is actually Drew or at least someone he knows will stay in character.
+sort of making the assumption that CMDR Salomè is actually Drew or at least someone he knows will stay in character.
Making a new thread would be helpful. Since then we could have a first post with all the info we have. Though we would need some one that could keep it updated.
Im not nominating myself. My post structure is too messy... Not to mention grammar. The tinfoil isnt helping
Im not nominating myself. My post structure is too messy... Not to mention grammar. The tinfoil isnt helping
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Okay... I've been thinking about the "core" of the problem. I've come to two conclusions as the what this is:
1. The core of the problem is, of course, the Formidine Rift itself.
and
2. The core refers to our galactic core.
Okay... by now we all know that Formidine is an ablative case of the Latin "Formido" which means fear. Being ablative it mean moving away from something... but moving away from what exactly? Well... moving away from the Core of our galaxy.
What is our galaxy? Well... it's the Milky Way. That name, "Milky Way" comes to us from Latin: "Via Lactea".
"Formidine Via Lactea" literally means "Fear of the Milky Way" in such a way that whomever is afraid of the galaxy is moving away from it.
My conclusion is that whatever (whoever) we find in the rift is out there because they are trying to escape from something. Whatever is out there is out there because it is as far as it can get from whatever is driving this fear. The question is what will we find first: Those who are trying to escape this fear or that which is the cause of this fear in the first place?
Oh... and now that the tinfoil hats are firmly affixed: Drew Wagar/Dark Wheel. DW. Coincidence? I think not!
Perhaps they're trying to escape/run away from us.
Or at least those that sought to do them harm in the past.
But core can mean a lot of other things. Not specificaly the galactic core.
System core? Core of the Rift?
Core of the galaxy is a black hole, so maybe we are looking for one too?
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Or indeed could just be a figure of speech and he means the main bit of the problem.
Oh yes, the "core" could be a lot of things.
Given that in Elite lore humanity hasn't always treated different factions, let alone aliens, very well I was simply proposing that humanity may be the "core " of the problem.
Just my thoughts [wacko]
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That's a fair observation to be honest, I'm aware of the deficiencies and would like to do to more about them. I'm hopeful you'll find 2016 rather more interesting overall.
I'd appreciate examples of the sort of thing you'd consider 'good'. In regards to other games; Eve has been around a long time and has plenty of time to gestate, Mass Effect and Halo are TPS games and Starcraft is an RPG. Telling a cohesive story in an MMO (arguments about ED's actual game genre notwithstanding) is more tricky when you don't have a linear set of events and player interaction can (and has) obliterated entire tranches of storyline written in advance.
It's also quite a challenge to write something that is both non-trivial and 'not impossible' to fathom whilst providing sufficient accessibility to all players from the casual to the intense. Currently the tools for injecting story into ED are quite limited too. Given those constraints I don't think we've done too badly, but it can definitely improve.
Thanks for the feedback though.
Cheers,
Drew.
StarCraft is a 1 on 1 ripoff of all mighty Warhammer 40k honestly...
how did that happen?
A Canonn Book Club Moment
Just a review of possible symbolism behind the Name of Lady Kahina Tijani Loren (AKA Salome)
- Lady and Loren Refer to her position and Family Name ( I do not see any particular significance to the name)
- Kahina – is an arabic term for “prophetess” Also an historic figure from North Africa of a Prophetess/Queen who fought against the Umayyad invasion.
- Tijani – Is probably a reference to “Tijaniyyah” - The Tijani Path (Sometimes referred to as the Path of the Prophet). A Sufi Order from North Africa. Or more specifically the founder of that order - Shaykh Ahmad Tijani.
- Salome – A beautiful girl who dances “the seven veils” and gets (deliberately asks for) the head of a prophet (John the Baptist) in return.
Ya im not getting any grand insight into where she might be going from this…. Pass the biscuits
Just a review of possible symbolism behind the Name of Lady Kahina Tijani Loren (AKA Salome)
- Lady and Loren Refer to her position and Family Name ( I do not see any particular significance to the name)
- Kahina – is an arabic term for “prophetess” Also an historic figure from North Africa of a Prophetess/Queen who fought against the Umayyad invasion.
The Kahina
"This lady living in the Aures Mountains was a Kahina. She had these uncanny powers to a remarkable degree, being both clairvoyant and telepathic, and was also a priestess, but more than an ordinary priestess. She was a spiritual leader of the Berbers, and since she combined this spiritual position with the political authority of a queen, it would be more accurate to refer to her as High Priestess. Muslim historians call her the Kahina.
She was Duhya bin Tabta bin Neiqan of the clan Jarawa. The Jarawa were a princely clan of the very large tribe of Zannata, part of which lived in the Maghreb and had saved Uqba by falling upon his enemies. This lady ruled as Queen of the Jarawa in the Aures Mountains and was the High Priestess generally of all Berbers. She also had a fortress of Al Jamm, 40 miles south of Sousa, in which many years before she had been besieged by her enemies but had survived and won. "
The battle of Miskiana
"… On the following day was fought one of the fiercest battles between the Muslims and the Berbers … The High Priestess showed no mercy. She took blood revenge for all the Berber blood shed by the Muslims in previous battles. Towards evening Hassaan broke contact and retreated, leaving a large number of Muslim dead on the battlefield. The part of the Valley of Miskiana where this battle was fought became known, for some odd reason, as Wadi-ul-Azara (Valley of Virgins)…. It was the only defeat suffered by the Muslims at the hands of the Berbers in a large scale battle, and it was a very bloody one."
Death
After conducting a scorched earth policy to keep the Arabs out … she looses support at home and the Umayyads invade again and defeat her .. she dies during the battle and “The place where she fell came to be known as 'The Well of the Kahina'.”
Quoting From:
The Muslim Conquest of Egypt and North Africa
Lieutenant General A.I. Akram
pp. 268-276
"This lady living in the Aures Mountains was a Kahina. She had these uncanny powers to a remarkable degree, being both clairvoyant and telepathic, and was also a priestess, but more than an ordinary priestess. She was a spiritual leader of the Berbers, and since she combined this spiritual position with the political authority of a queen, it would be more accurate to refer to her as High Priestess. Muslim historians call her the Kahina.
She was Duhya bin Tabta bin Neiqan of the clan Jarawa. The Jarawa were a princely clan of the very large tribe of Zannata, part of which lived in the Maghreb and had saved Uqba by falling upon his enemies. This lady ruled as Queen of the Jarawa in the Aures Mountains and was the High Priestess generally of all Berbers. She also had a fortress of Al Jamm, 40 miles south of Sousa, in which many years before she had been besieged by her enemies but had survived and won. "
The battle of Miskiana
"… On the following day was fought one of the fiercest battles between the Muslims and the Berbers … The High Priestess showed no mercy. She took blood revenge for all the Berber blood shed by the Muslims in previous battles. Towards evening Hassaan broke contact and retreated, leaving a large number of Muslim dead on the battlefield. The part of the Valley of Miskiana where this battle was fought became known, for some odd reason, as Wadi-ul-Azara (Valley of Virgins)…. It was the only defeat suffered by the Muslims at the hands of the Berbers in a large scale battle, and it was a very bloody one."
Death
After conducting a scorched earth policy to keep the Arabs out … she looses support at home and the Umayyads invade again and defeat her .. she dies during the battle and “The place where she fell came to be known as 'The Well of the Kahina'.”
Quoting From:
The Muslim Conquest of Egypt and North Africa
Lieutenant General A.I. Akram
pp. 268-276
- Tijani – Is probably a reference to “Tijaniyyah” - The Tijani Path (Sometimes referred to as the Path of the Prophet). A Sufi Order from North Africa. Or more specifically the founder of that order - Shaykh Ahmad Tijani.
- Salome – A beautiful girl who dances “the seven veils” and gets (deliberately asks for) the head of a prophet (John the Baptist) in return.
Ya im not getting any grand insight into where she might be going from this…. Pass the biscuits
Or again, Drew could just have chosen the names because he liked them. He could have made them up off the top of his head.
Or, they could have been deeply researched. Just adding a point of caution that people could be going off in all sorts of false directions.
So you propose going in directions that arent researched? I severely doubt that he pulled the names out of a hat... come back with a proper rationale
To be honest, of those only Starcraft is remotely interesting to me, but IMO the storytelling in it has taken a turn for the worse in the newer (post brood war) games. There's something lacking about the fluff (which is what I call lore, as it is not big and haughty like 'lore' but background is soft and approached lightly with mirth).
The things like the planets guide in the Frontier games describing the worlds (not some narrative, which IMO is best left in novels) really added to it then.
As a background piece, Elite is actually very interesting as there's more in the Federation and Empire dichotomy and even in the current game there's a big wool (as with fluff, pun intended) pulled over people's eyes.
Suffered a near fatal crash due to a failure of the monopropellant cold gas thruster valve in the starboard side engine. After spending two days of planet side duct tape and bubblegum repairs I was able to manage a slow but steady launch leaving that godforsaken planet behind frozen in it's own solitude. My ship the I.S.S ArchAngel is in bad shape and I hope the FSD will hold up as I am out of gum. Thoughts of being stranded left to die on some lonely planet have turned to whispers echoing in the back of my mind as I limp homeward. Angel has never let me down when I really needed her and I suspect she will prevail again once more.
Almost my tombstone..I shall return to the Rift...
Almost my tombstone..I shall return to the Rift...
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