General / Off-Topic Formula 1 - 2017 Season

Good to have a proper multi team fight.

Glad to see both Seb & Hamilton smiling at the prospect of racing, I bet the smiles don't last long, they've both had tantrums in their times...

Shame about the racing but the cars looked properly quick & Melbourne has always been hard to overtake at.
 
Nice to see a not Mercedes win tough the race itself wasn't all that great to watch tbh. The new cars look great and are fast and all that but overtaking seems to have gotten much harder to do it seems.
 
Shame about the racing but the cars looked properly quick & Melbourne has always been hard to overtake at.

Well, it's kind of inevitable it ends up like that.

You have a formula where the fastest cars start at the front, and are now quite reliable, so you're likely to have little overtaking bar drivers out-of-position due to poor qualifying or during the pit-stop window.

The tyre degradation and the choice of tyres added some variety which mixed up the strategies and pace/positions; but now with even the Ultras quite durable there are probably going to be fewer scenarios where faster cars are positioned behind slower, bar the (likely, one-per-race) pitstops.
 
Hamilton is already have a strop about the new regulations. His team told him he needed to pass the Red bull car in front of him and replied, that there was no chance in that happening. He also complained that following another car was killing his tyres. I thought that over taking other cars was part of his job and Seb managed to follow Hamilton for the 1st stint of the race, without too many issues.
 
I've watched F1 since 1978 and most season since. I found it odd last year when the new regulations were announced. For over a decade now the battle has been to make it easier to overtake and all of a sudden the new rules do the exact opposite. It all kind of made sense when Bernie sold up, now liberty Media have a first season where braking distances are shorter meaning less out-braking room. Wider lower wings cause more turbulent air behind the car so any chance of a tow is gone plus +15 degrees more on the side board wings making the area of disturbed air greater than it was not to mention the wider cars which just adds to the pain of overtaking.

It's a real shame to of seen these changes made, the sport was getting good again with last years races finishing with the leading bunch fairly close to each other. I can honestly say that this weekends race was terrible in my opinion. I can only hope it gets better but still good to see Ferrari win again!
 
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Well, it's kind of inevitable it ends up like that.

You have a formula where the fastest cars start at the front, and are now quite reliable, so you're likely to have little overtaking bar drivers out-of-position due to poor qualifying or during the pit-stop window.

The tyre degradation and the choice of tyres added some variety which mixed up the strategies and pace/positions; but now with even the Ultras quite durable there are probably going to be fewer scenarios where faster cars are positioned behind slower, bar the (likely, one-per-race) pitstops.

This is kind of how it's always been, the old factors used to be refueling, more recently it's been tyre deg, now there's not really anything.

Hamilton is already have a strop about the new regulations. His team told him he needed to pass the Red bull car in front of him and replied, that there was no chance in that happening. He also complained that following another car was killing his tyres. I thought that over taking other cars was part of his job and Seb managed to follow Hamilton for the 1st stint of the race, without too many issues.

He was having a strop as much as many of the other drivers. I think he knows a bit more about racing than you do and it could well be that Mercedes have given him a car that should be leading, and struggles when it gets in traffic.

I've watched F1 since 1978 and most season since. I found it odd last year when the new regulations were announced. For over a decade now the battle has been to make it easier to overtake and all of a sudden the new rules do the exact opposite. It all kind of made sense when Bernie sold up, now liberty Media have a first season where braking distances are shorter meaning less out-braking room. Wider lower wings cause more turbulent air behind the car so any chance of a tow is gone plus +15 degrees more on the side board wings making the area of disturbed air greater than it was not to mention the wider cars which just adds to the pain of overtaking.

It's a real shame to of seen these changes made, the sport was getting good again with last years races finishing with the leading bunch fairly close to each other. I can honestly say that this weekends race was terrible in my opinion. I can only hope it gets better but still good to see Ferrari win again!

Surely you know then Bran that there's hardly ever been much overtaking! The best seasons, Hakkinen vs Schumacher 15 years ago for example, had hardly any overtakes, they were awesome for the 3 or 4 amazing overtakes that defined the season. The last 3 years have been the Mercedes show, you can't really say that the leading bunch are finishing close, plus the cars looked terrible.

I agree that the rules are a bit counter-productive, but I have faith in Brawn's ability to bring natural racing back. The cars look better, there does need to be change and wider tyres was a step in the right direction.

This weekend was boring, but almost every Australia race has been boring (sorry people of Oz!). I think we need to give this season a few more races, but I do still think it'll be relatively boring until Brawn and his Independant "Make F1 Great Again" team can really get into action.
 
K-Rose;5320558 He was having a strop as much as many of the other drivers. I think he knows a bit more about racing than you do and it could well be that Mercedes have given him a car that should be leading said:
I would hope that he DID know more about racing than I do, it IS and has been his job all of his life. I hear that he understands how his car works a little better these days; since he was criticised for not knowing what the buttons did on his own steering wheel.
 
This weekend was boring, but almost every Australia race has been boring (sorry people of Oz!).

I agree that it wasn't a great race for overtaking and a bit dull in that regard.

As for strategy the only real race was Merc vs. Ferrari... but you're forgiven.
 
Strange the way the Oz race (both Melbourne and Adelaide before it) is often a bit of an aberration.
Not sure if it's something to do with the circuit or just that teams/drivers are in different states of readiness but you often seem to get oddball results.
Be interesting to see if much changes after a couple of more conventional races.

In other news, I see Lewis has opted to ditch his personal trainer this year because he "wants the challenge of arranging his own training".
Now, Hamilton's my guy but I know when I hear it.
I'm betting the real reason he's ditched his trainer is because he knows that any trainer hired by the team is going to be critical of him jetting around the world and going clubbing/MCing and hanging around with celeb's until daft'o'clock between races.

Good luck to him, I guess.
If he can prove he can live his life AND remain race-fit then maybe it'll lead to less obsessive training and drivers will be able to show their personalities again (assuming they have any).

F1 needs more of this:
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Legend! :D
 
Well, it's kind of inevitable it ends up like that.

You have a formula where the fastest cars start at the front, and are now quite reliable, so you're likely to have little overtaking bar drivers out-of-position due to poor qualifying or during the pit-stop window.

The tyre degradation and the choice of tyres added some variety which mixed up the strategies and pace/positions; but now with even the Ultras quite durable there are probably going to be fewer scenarios where faster cars are positioned behind slower, bar the (likely, one-per-race) pitstops.

So, you enjoyed Max Verstappen as well? :p
 
A good race today; no spoilers at this time, but it looks like Bernie's last wish of, 'we need a random place on the track hosed down to make things more exciting', came true.
 
A few good overtakes up and down the field in China. The real high point being Ricciardo vs. Verstappen in the last ten laps. You almost got him Daniel.

A good race but not a great race in my opinion.
 
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Wow, Alonso will skip Monaco to compete in the Indy 500. That is incredible news. It would be nice to see Jenson Button back in the cockpit for a few laps too - I say a few laps as it would be reckless to assume they can do the full 78.
 
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Wow, Alonso will skip Monaco to compete in the Indy 500. That is incredible news. It would be nice to see Jenson Button back in the cockpit for a few laps too - I say a few laps as it would be reckless to assume they can do the full 78.

I hadn't heard that but the McLaren/Honda fail is very sad.

Not only is McL a marque of significant value to the sport and has failed but Alonso is one of the best drivers in the field (if not the most complete driving package in the field). It's tragic to see his career get nobbled by machinery which is totally sub-par. Put Alonso in a Merc/AMG and he would kick Hamilton all over the park.

Tragic...........

...... the Indy 500 thing sounds like writing on the wall for the McL/Alonso partnership.
 
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I hadn't heard that but the McLaren/Honda fail is very sad.

Not only is McL a marque of significant value to the sport and has failed but Alonso is one of the best drivers in the field (if not the most complete driving package in the field). It's tragic to see his career get nobbled by machinery which is totally sub-par. Put Alonso in a Merc/AMG and he would kick Hamilton all over the park.

Tragic...........

...... the Indy 500 thing sounds like writing on the wall for the McL/Alonso partnership.
Alonso joining a team has been the kiss of death too many times. In the car he is as good as anyone but he is just too political. At least this time at McLaren he has held his tongue far more than he has in better situations... perhaps he is just beyond it to some extent. In a Mercedes, he would force Hamilton to work but there is no reason to suggest that the outcome would be far different from the last time they ran together. That pairing would also gift the driver's title to Ferrari (again) as things stand too.
 
Wow, Alonso will skip Monaco to compete in the Indy 500. That is incredible news. It would be nice to see Jenson Button back in the cockpit for a few laps too - I say a few laps as it would be reckless to assume they can do the full 78.

Alonso joining a team has been the kiss of death too many times. In the car he is as good as anyone but he is just too political. At least this time at McLaren he has held his tongue far more than he has in better situations... perhaps he is just beyond it to some extent. In a Mercedes, he would force Hamilton to work but there is no reason to suggest that the outcome would be far different from the last time they ran together. That pairing would also gift the driver's title to Ferrari (again) as things stand too.

Agree with both of you. Alonso is fantastic but with a lot of baggage, and the Mc isn't playing nice right now.

I was a bit surprised about the Indy thing. However, if (finger-in-air speculation on my part) Alonso is considering quitting F1 at the end of this season then it makes a lot more sense. There aren't any other drives that are suitable for him: he's done Ferrari, Merc is locked down, Red Bull tend to promote young drivers and there don't seem to be any other teams on the grid that are up to his standard.
 
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As sad as the Alonso/McL debacle has become I'm beginning to find his behaviour and comments (in-car and otherwise) to almost be comic relief these days... even funnier than some of the gaff that Kimi has thrown out in the past.

But yeah; as far as the sport goes, it sucks to be McLaren.

Remember the Alonso quote from Suzuka?

"Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh! GP2 engine! GP2 engine!"

It wasn't funny then but the wheels have really fallen off McL/Honda's campaign (sorry about the pun).

Jensen Button retiring but staying around as a McL "advisor" looks like common sense now as there may have been serous rumblings from Alonso pre-season about threatening to quit.
 
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Personally I feel that Alonso has matured a lot since his early Ferrari and late 2nd term Renault days. His pairing with Hamilton was a nightmare, as both wanted top spot and bickered all of the time and would do so again. However: He drove the wheels off of the Ferrari and showed his true worth as a driver. That said, he is getting old and something like inde cars may offer the next step he needs. The McLaren is not going to go anywhere at Monaco as over taking is a major issue and with wider cars this year, it will be even harder. I would also say that McLaren have little choice, but to let him have the weekend off, this is his second season in a really second rate car and he is sticking with it and is a major contributor to its development. I would agree, apart from a step downwards, there is not really anywhere he can go to in F1
 
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