FORUM METAGAMING IN PROGRESS

Rubbernuke

Rubbernuke
The FD forum is *one* area for ED debate. There are the various Discord channels, Reddit, lurkers, *loads* of places outside of here that harbour players.
 

Vedmo

Vedmo
How many posts per week should someone maintain for the right to voice their opinion on a forum about a major change to a game they play?
 

Adaris

Adaris
DaveB said:
See above. A spike in new participants for a single question is always questionable and an indication of an attempt to skew the debate.
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Again, this is not an attempt to "skew the debate."

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/8jl2yq/flash_topic_powerplay_proposal/

Here are all your "astroturfers." Note the MULTIPLE places people are encouraged to come here and voice their opinions.

This is quite simply an idea with broad support in the greater community. Broad, and passionate. There's no getting around that.
 

[VR] Mad Mike

[VR] Mad Mike
Adaris said:
Again, this is not an attempt to "skew the debate."

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/8jl2yq/flash_topic_powerplay_proposal/

Here are all your "astroturfers." Note the MULTIPLE places people are encouraged to come here and voice their opinions.

This is quite simply an idea with broad support in the greater community. Broad, and passionate. There's no getting around that.
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poll on the login page, and link sent from frontier to all registered email accounts.... 1 vote per account, completely fair and (reasonably) uncorruptable. i think this would be fair.
 

h347h

h347h
DaveB said:
Disagree - mostly because I've seen it happen over and over again from all sides, as a participant in a discussion, as somebody being exhorted to participate "because if all of us pile in they'll believe we're the majority" and as both an admin and a moderator of venues where it was happening.

Regular engaged participation in a discussion is a good thing, particularly when it embraces diverse opinions as we see here. These spikes in new registrations to advocate for a single issue are ALWAYS suspect, particularly where they show a radical departure in their distribution from the longstanding position among long-term participants.
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I don't think you fully grasp what astroturfing is.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing


What we have is instead growth of player engagement because they are passionate about the topic.

If you go back and look at PP when it was first started it had a much larger group of people.

This change could be getting people back into it because some of the changes after PP was launched turned a lot of people away. This is just a natural way people engage in politics. People will come out of the woodwork to support something they are interested in.
 

Bryan K

Bryan K
bigity said:
Can't wait til they remove the block feature due to folks like you abusing it. I highly doubt you participate in PP at all anyway.
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Another PvP demand that’ll never come to pass, I assure you.

As far as I’m concerned, the only point to PP is the goodies like Prismatics and Cytoscramblers, and I’d bet money that most people drop their pledges when they have the modules. I guess now I’ll be finishing up my PP work before Q4 just in case, all in solo of course.
 

biot

biot
What a strange thread. It is entirely natural for people pro this change to chime in. And if they are being directed here, so what? If it were bot accounts it might be a bit different matter and a cause for concern but it doesn't look like we are the latest target of Russian trolling.

I'm neutral to these PP changes and while the discussion around them is going into some wild and crazy places it is still very early days. Sandy is saying nothing else is moving to open only and I don't see any reason to doubt that. Of course that could change, just like the proposals themselves, but until something concrete emerges my pitchfork is staying firmly in its display case.
 

h347h

h347h
DaveB said:
See above. A spike in new participants for a single question is always questionable and an indication of an attempt to skew the debate.
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Again it isn't though. Participation levels always very on the topic. That is NATURAL.
 

bigity

bigity
Bryan K said:
Another PvP demand that’ll never come to pass, I assure you.

As far as I’m concerned, the only point to PP is the goodies like Prismatics and Cytoscramblers, and I’d bet money that most people drop their pledges when they have the modules. I guess now I’ll be finishing up my PP work before Q4 just in case, all in solo of course.
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New flash - PP groups don't want those players. Threatening to de-pledge before you get your module shopping done is not a problem.
 

Belthize

Belthize
I'm not sure I buy the premise. I looked at 4 pages (certainly not all) of the focused feedback and checked every 'mostly harmless' poster. The account with the fewest posts that I saw was '6' but the account was made in 2016. The newest account was made about a week ago and had 20 some odd posts. So where are these accounts made today with only posts from today ?

I agree it goes against the stated purpose of that forum but that's a different issue.
 

bigity

bigity
Belthize said:
I'm not sure I buy the premise. I looked at 4 pages (certainly not all) of the focused feedback and checked every 'mostly harmless' poster. The account with the fewest posts that I saw was '6' but the account was made in 2016. The newest account was made about a week ago and had 20 some odd posts. So were are these accounts made today with only posts from today ?

I agree it goes against the stated purpose of that forum but that's a different issue.
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Doesn't matter. A forum account is tied to a purchased copy of the game (IIRC). So it's not like these are fake accounts.
 

DaveB

DaveB
Moved to off-topic?

Wow.

THIS IS NOT OFF TOPIC. It is something extremely relevant to the game and to the feedback FD are receiving on a proposal.

Mods, if you want to shut down this discussion, then stick a note in the thread saying why you're doing it and then close it. BUT LEAVE IT WHERE IT WAS. Don't just sweep it under the rug by moving it to a forum nobody reads.

PM-ing Brett to request it be moved back. If you subsequently decide to close it I'll accept that, but it will still be there to be read.
 

Ian Doncaster

Ian Doncaster
DaveB said:
This is a pattern anyone who's played EVE will have seen before. We are being metagamed.
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1) What's the alternative? Oh, I know, we could have a £350 access charge to post in the Focused Feedback forums, that'd improve things. No way that could possibly go wrong or lead to a really unrepresentative sample of players. ;)

2) Plenty of regular Elite Dangerous players don't regularly contribute to these specific forums, but it doesn't mean they don't play the game or that their views should be discounted. Remember the shock when EG Pilots came out of nowhere - from the point of view of the English-only-speaking community, that is... - to win the Dangerous Games by a country mile?

3) It's not a vote or a popularity contest anyway - *not* being a vote or popularity contest has after all been the main complaint ("they didn't listen to me/us") about the previous rounds of Focused Feedback. Frontier are looking for *reasons* to do or not do something, not raw numbers, and it doesn't really matter if a reason gets posted once or twenty times (I suspect they'd prefer "once" so it didn't take so long to read, but...). The "Yay this!" and "No never!" posts are nowhere near as useful to them - they already knew that some people would like it and others would hate it - and are unlikely to enter into their decision-making very much.
 
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