The evil ghost of Thatcher (actually Theresa May, though she is every bit as heartless) has decided she likes fox hunting, wants to bring it back, Labour banned it in 2004 because the way it was done is cruel and backward, setting dogs to rip apart living things, can anyone here think of the reasons she is putting this back on the table? I mean other than to satisfy her rich friends ?
General / Off-Topic Fox hunting return ?
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Minti2
Deadly, But very fluffy...
Seems a stupid time to think about reintroducing it when alot of Labour supports like me are actually considering voting Tory, but foxhunting is disgusting and now am questing my choice now, and why! most people i know hate foxhunting and i live in one of the areas that use to have hunts(still do actually, but supposedly not with foxes!)
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I'm sorry to stray from my own topic but as a Labour supporter myself who opposes the leadership of Corbyn because of his military and foreign policy as well as immigration stances.....we vote for the politics, not the man, why on earth would a labour supporter cross the political divide now ? at a time when it makes more sense to vote against the tories ? I mean if you want to jump ship why not lib dems ? tories are polar opposite to labour, labour care, tories don't, fox hunting is just one example.
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Minonian
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Out of curiosity? When she got the idea?
My opinion? Animals maybe below us, but cruelty is unacceptable. If you must deal with them, than you must do it fast and clean without causing any needless suffering. My guess? She is just what i tough of her at the first sight. heartless, uncaring, empathy less.
Besides, there are any anti animal cruelty laws in the UK? How seriously the people take this? If so, it might be a bad idea to her, his position might be looks strong, but the tree inside is rotten, and just appears strong and healthy.
Minti2
Deadly, But very fluffy...
Agree with you its not a normal thing for die hard Labour supports to switch to the Torys( i did say i might) but only for the reason that i actually think May is the only one to get Brexit done(not saying she will be great, but have no confidence in any of the others) believe me there are plenty of others like me thinking the same, i mentioned this on another thread, theres definitely a shift of support(if the people i talk to are to be believed that is!)
There is also the Zero hours ban Labour may bring in(which i like) and defense feels very dodgy with Corbyn(and the man with his policy's does count for me) As for Lib Dems done a tactical vote with them once to try kick Tory candidate out but wasted, the time of the u-turn on University fees. Also just not keen on them/policy's.
Am more likely if foxhunting does become an issue vote Green or a decent independent, but Brexit whether you like it or not, is a big issue to(for me anyway) but i absolutely hate foxhunting to....never ends does it with twists and turns
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She is heartless, she's just taking advantage of the weakness of labour, i hope we pull of a shocker of shockers and make Corbyn PM, i don't even support Corbyn on some issues, but we need to end the Elite establishment system.
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Agree with you its not a normal thing for die hard Labour supports to switch to the Torys( i did say i might) but only for the reason that i actually think May is the only one to get Brexit done(not saying she will be great, but have no confidence in any of the others) believe me there are plenty of others like me thinking the same, i mentioned this on another thread, theres definitely a shift of support(if they are to be believed that is!)
There is also the Zero hours ban Labour may bring in(which i like) and defense feels very dodgy with Corbyn(and the man with his policy's does count for me) As for Lib Dems done a tactical vote with them once to try kick Tory candidate out but wasted, the time of the u-turn on University fees. Also just not keen on them/policy's.
Am more likely if foxhunting does become an issue vote Green or a decent independent, but Brexit whether you like it or not, is a big issue to(for me anyway) but i absolutely hate foxhunting to....never ends does it with twists and turns
Hey i agree Brexit is an issue, but the most Corbyn would do is do a second referendum after we get all the facts, a second referendum is not undemocratic, personally i think he supports a left wing Brexit, i'd take a labour brexit over a backward tory one any day. Do you really think that Theresa may is the only person for the job ? why ? because she said so ?
Minti2
Deadly, But very fluffy...
Bud i totally get you, but i really dont think Corbyn will win, theres a couple of absolute die hard fans of Corbyn at work who until recently said he has a great chance, but even they are admitting its not looking good, hey we could all be wrong, everyone was with Trump! but i think the best that could happen is a decent labour opposition, but i think they will get plastered to be truthful.
Minti2
Deadly, But very fluffy...
Haha not because she says so...Strong and stable!
want to belt her!....no again out of a bad bunch(in my opinion) she comes across better(you obviously dont agree, fair enough) now if you had David Millaband or even Tony Blair standing(i still like him) and obviously the policy's better, then no brainier, but then probably no Brexit anyway or they would at least be good opposition.
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Haha not because she says so...Strong and stable!
You still like Tony Blair !! lol, i thought i was the only one here who doesn't want him before the hague, after all 1997 to 2007 were not bad domestically for most Brits, i am on record here supporting the military interventions his government took part in (allthough not Iraq, i believed that the war was justified but not for the reasons given by Blair and Bush, for those lies he should be punished for corruption, not war crimes) but yes David Miliband would do nicely. And yes, i fear you are right and labour will be hit very hard in June.
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Minti2
Deadly, But very fluffy...
Haha yeah i know controversial with TB, but as you said domestic policy's were pretty good(although fox hunting ban was under his government he did kind of regret it, admitting not knowing much about it!) err they kill foxs! but he was referring to country folk and their way of life(still disgusting!)
Anyway again if true i am more likely to vote alternative, but for the first time since voting since the eighties i really am at a loss with the coming election...
I disagree with Blairs military adventures wholeheartedly, but I'd have him back in a heartbeat.
Heath, Thatcher, Major, Blair were all competent professional politicians with some vision about what they wanted to achieve. Even if I disagree with much of what they did, I can't really say that any of them took reckless gambles with the nations future for their own self-aggrandizement and all of them would listen to experts.
Since then we've had a sullen and aggressive man with (and I don't use this to insult) some sort of personality disorder, a posh chancer devoid of talent who bet the entire country on a referendum just so he could rule over the plebs for an extra 5 years, and now a paranoid control freak who finds the entire idea of opposition offensive and has no idea at all of what she is doing.
Getting anyone of those older lot back would be a joy.
Agreed, yes, i'd take John Major, even Cameron, over May.
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Oh i strongly dislike tories (i'm told i use the word "despise" too much), people who vote for them are either rich posh vile smirkers like the pillock in that video, or the dumbest people alive. Edit: or to be more polite, just misguided, after all i wouldn't want to offend the nice people who vote against their own interests.
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Maybe as a distraction?
I was mildly against the original.ban. Although I have no particular love of fox hunting I felt that trying to ban it only made certain people dig their heels in more. To a certain type, part of the attraction is doing something "banned by the elites".
Personally I'd have required.mandatory pubic liability insurance. Fox hunting without insurance punishable by large fines for all participants. Then let rising insurance and insurer's pulling out of the market due to.boycotts do the rest. A bit less "right on" but probably more.effective in the long run.
As for dredging this up now..... this is fiddling whilst Rome burns. We have brexit, climate change, automation caused unemployment, the lingering financial problems, Russia, Trump, antibiotic resistance, the NHS, the refugee crisis and god knows what else to worry about........... and bloody fox hunting is what we're going to spend time on?!
It's like worrying about a hangnail when you're on fire......having just fallen out of a plane......over an ocean of acid....that's also on fire
I was mildly against the original.ban. Although I have no particular love of fox hunting I felt that trying to ban it only made certain people dig their heels in more. To a certain type, part of the attraction is doing something "banned by the elites".
Personally I'd have required.mandatory pubic liability insurance. Fox hunting without insurance punishable by large fines for all participants. Then let rising insurance and insurer's pulling out of the market due to.boycotts do the rest. A bit less "right on" but probably more.effective in the long run.
As for dredging this up now..... this is fiddling whilst Rome burns. We have brexit, climate change, automation caused unemployment, the lingering financial problems, Russia, Trump, antibiotic resistance, the NHS, the refugee crisis and god knows what else to worry about........... and bloody fox hunting is what we're going to spend time on?!
It's like worrying about a hangnail when you're on fire......having just fallen out of a plane......over an ocean of acid....that's also on fire
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Banned by the Elites ? it's the sport of the bloody Elites lol.
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not the "metropolitan elites"... The liberal arts lecturers' in Nottinghill etc
This is the funny thing.... Out here in the sticks the "elites" are socialist middle class townies who read the guardian and have never ventured outside the M25 and think Richmond park is the countryside.
In those same townie, left leaning areas the "elites" are the port swilling, right wing retired colonels, who vote tory, despise foreigners and hunt foxes.
Either way, I give less of a toss about whether or not we hunt foxes than Brexit, the NHS, climate change, the electricity generation gap, the rise of the European far right and a lot of other things.
To be clear, I'm not supporting ending the ban, it's done and history. Let's not dig up that corpse again.
Telling your government you are unhappy about some barbaric proposal wont take that much time, and its not as if we're spending 24/7 fighting the stuff you mentioned anyway. Not much the average person can do about antbiotic resistence or global warming, but this stuff is within your grasp.
as complementary training for the new run-ups in the party?
really? i highly doubt personal views have any bearing in any consequential decision any pm has taken ever. they are symbols, people needs them, other than that they do what they're told.
tony blair lied to his country in his face and then he lied to the commission. of course. he couldn't possibly admit the truth. you really think this has to do with his ... vision?
(nothing against this particular talking head, just an example)
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I live in the countryside, a village in Lincolnshire, before this i lived on and around the various rural RAF bases my Dad was stationed at, and i still regard the Elite as the ones on the right wing, the liberal Elites are just tories in disguise, assuming you mean the Macrons and Clintons of the world, they are all in it for the rich folk, city or countryside. So as i have said, let's get real lefties and true liberals to shake up this establishment. By the way i don't think you can be both part of the Elite and a be a democratic socialist, it would defeat the point.
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