General / Off-Topic Free Speech in UK - discuss

[FuzzySpider]

Nope. A race is people and not stuff!

I presume English is not your first language?

The word "race", possibly from the latin "Radix" meaning "root", basically means any unifying trait of a people and during its eariest recorded use (around 1300s) it was used more to denote nationality or even the region of where someone in England had come from. The vast majority of people back then had no concept of people who were black, Asian, far-eastern, etc. You generally were born, lived, and died within a radius of around 50 miles.

Race, according to the dictionary, means any unifying cultural or ethnic trait. If you don't feel comfortable with the label "racist" the solution is to change your views, not try to change the definition of words in the English language.

They speak out because we are a Democracy. Hushing them is not.

That confuses the hell out of me. I really don't know what you mean.

 

[X-Terminator]

How many times have you heard on TV NEWS..."A White/Black Male..." - it is simply News to state the description of the perpetrator. Our News did a Name & Shame campaign on the front headlines. Now they wish to hide these because of the shear enormity of Muslim Rapists lately. Do your research on these. No other group of people do grooming gang rapings but these do as it is in their beliefs and taught via the Mosques they pray in. Oh and if you are a human at all then do sign the Petition For Chelsea to bring forward Justice to her attackers. Or be a coward and turn cheek!

https://www.therebel.media/justice_for_chelsey

 

[AJW]

No, I am not going to sign any petition organised by bigots. And you have still to explain why, if this isn't about race, you chose to describe victims as 'white'. Why does it matter?

 

[X-Terminator]

What crap is all that about dictionary meanings from Latin derivations? Bleeding fellas. There are 7 RACES of mankind of this Planet. If I make a new religion I suppose that you will make an addition to the English Oxford Dictionary at your own printing expense no one elses!
Hating someone is not bigotry. Those Parties hate the criminals that get away with such atrocities and shout back in Terrorist replies.

 

[AJW]

What crap is all that about dictionary meanings from Latin derivations? Bleeding fellas. There are 7 RACES of mankind of this Planet. If I make a new religion I suppose that you will make an addition to the English Oxford Dictionary at your own printing expense no one elses!
Hating someone is not bigotry. Those Parties hate the criminals that get away with such atrocities and shout back in Terrorist replies.

Is that supposed to mean something? Because I can't make head nor tail of it.

 

[FuzzySpider]

What crap is all that about dictionary meanings from Latin derivations?

It's called "The English language". It is "the lexicon of the nation of the United Kingdom".

Bleeding fellas. There are 7 RACES of mankind of this Planet. If I make a new religion I suppose that you will make an addition to the English Oxford Dictionary at your own printing expense no one elses!

If the religion becomes a widespread cultural 'brand' with many traditions as well as becoming a method of self and extra-self identity then it is entirely possible that people hating followers of "your" religion will be considered racist by reasonable people.

What religion are you going to start. Remember - you will need millions to follow it in order for it to be taken seriously, so coming out with some passive aggressive crap at this point won't help your cause.

Hating someone is not bigotry. Those Parties hate the criminals that get away with such atrocities and shout back in Terrorist replies.

You appear to have the view that Muslim=terrorist/ gang. You've been indoctrinated by the UK dead-tree press I'm afraid. Your beliefs do not conform to the real world.

There are millions of Muslims in Britain and 1.5 billion of them sharing the planet with you. If even 10% were evil terrorist killers there would be absolute carnage, not one story in the Daily Mail recycled every few months to stoke the fire of xenophobia.

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No, I am not going to sign any petition organised by bigots.

Likewise.

 

[samuelb]

Free speech, like freedom, is an illusion designed to control the hoarding masses.

You have libel, slander, use of threatening or abusive language, censorship, social protocol, the Official Secrets Act 1989, non-disclosure agreements (NDAs), state control (see the OP's post) and so on.

The only "freedom" you have is the freedom to be arrested, abused, insulted, ignored, laughed at and generally maligned - boo hoo.

All because us "little people" do not know what is good for us and need "nanny" to enforce the rules.

Sorry, a pet peeve of mine... can you tell?

Fly safe CMDRS o7

 

[Lianachan]

Is that supposed to mean something? Because I can't make head nor tail of it.

It's amazing seeing how people try to rationalise their bigotry, by claiming it's no such thing.

 

[Minonian]

And here you go...Both group Leaders now get arrested on the very day they have planned an event albeit a Rally, Protest, to Protest against a Terror Protest, calling on Islamic Criminal's doors either at Court or afterwards at their homes, or publically speaking at the others events, or even going to the pub with their family and children in their hometowns. They now even get arrested for reporting which is obviously what they do for free!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1MsPnvSGKY

Radicalists opposing to each others.

 

[Adept]

EDL and Britain First are movements for violent idiots.

Just like here in Finland with the "Odinists", if you start looking into the criminal records of the people involved, you find a lot of violent crime and especially violence against women. These people are scum, and just using "protecting women" as slogans to make their violent racism more palatable.

 

[Arry]

Basically us humans do need a distraction in life to twine about. A place to put all our hate and bring us all more together. It used to be the Great Wars and then it was Punk, Mods, and Rockers. Then it was all about Gays and their rights and then Aids to show us it was for all sexual desires. Then it got dull and then came Terrorism. We just can't get rid of it as it is now our common enemy and gripe. Conspiracists say this is just a Black Flag and the real powers are Illuminati.

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Evidence? That is a setup or a loony on the internet trolling. Yes they all started from roots which when they got to know what each others views were they sacked many and then went their own ways. None of the Leaders of the EDL & BF are racist in any way. The media constantly put out propaganda to portray them as such with much libel.

Excuse me; Punk was not about hate, it was about being non conformist and anti-establishment.

The EDL and such 'bully boy groups' are far right fascist racists, who most of which, have issues spelling the four letter words, that make up most of their tattoos.

 

[AJW]

The EDL and such 'bully boy groups' are far right fascist racists, who most of which, have issues spelling the four letter words, that make up most of their tattoos.

See for example this EDL supporter, who can't even spell 'Britain'. http://joelgoodman.photoshelter.com/image/I0000.4nAaKJMNWQ

 

[Adept]

Excuse me; Punk was not about hate, it was about being non conformist and anti-establishment.

The EDL and such 'bully boy groups' are far right fascist racists, who most of which, have issues spelling the four letter words, that make up most of their tattoos.

Word. Repped for both points.

 

[X-Terminator]

By all definition of fascists, if a belief is now a Race and yet any of 7 actual Races can change at any time between beliefs (although threatened by Islam to be killed for leaving - N.B. TERRORIST!), and it is considered Bigotry to "not like" such Terror Groups, yet to express ones own views as such goes as far as INCITING HATRED but use the term RACIST as such word is just uneducated and an abuse of words against factual truth. This is the P.C. debate and is protecting Terrorists within certain Religious beliefs. By hiding those who speak of this is cowardly and denouncing their own beliefs. Then it is Bigotry/Racist to not like a genre of Music and those who follow it.

How can one point the finger at another and hate them for which they stand and call the other BIGOTS yet by doing so be BIGOTS THEMSELVES!

As I mentioned music genres as groups of people above you all selected Punk for what those people were for. Yet there was conflicts between Punks and others. This was actually said to be other groups (non-Punks) of people causing trouble at their concerts. We can see this and is the exact same trend of stirring trouble. This is no different to anyone on here calling others a BIGOT which is NOT AGAINST THE LAW IN UK. We are a free country. The Laws as I said are at the start of this thread. To shut one person up is Dictatorship/Communism.

 

[Adept]

By all definition of fascists, if a belief is now a Race and yet any of 7 actual Races...

Ok, I've had enough of your prattle in defence of racist bullies, and apparent insane belief in genuinely quantifiable human races. There are no such things, they are artificial constructs.

Off to the block list with your white power propaganda.

 

[X-Terminator]

Some people do not like to hear the truth even though there is no offence. Weird.

 

[FuzzySpider]

Respect those who seek the truth.

Beware those who preach it.

 

[X-Terminator]

Well said Fuzzy. On another note whilst speeking at free will...a court thrown out a case for a speeding camera capturing a car doing 37 in a 30mph limit. Yet we are led to believe that it is illegal to speed. The prosecution could not provide any victim of any such crime where harm was committed. Nor could they provide any such proof of a signed contract to abide by such Road Act. The case (which is now completed over 2months in 2014) had 5 hearings and even though there was no witness to the alleged crime, the Police provided 5 witnesses to have a say who were furious that their "law" was not legal. It does cost the Defendant the full court time until eventually they may get back 3/4 of the costs. Now it has shown president it rather draws a mock at all Acts and Statutes added to Common Law IF these can not hold any weight in a court as solid proof and joinder of showing consent.

 

[FuzzySpider]

Nor could they provide any such proof of a signed contract to abide by such Road Act.....Now it has shown president it rather draws a mock at all Acts and Statutes added to Common Law IF these can not hold any weight in a court as solid proof and joinder of showing consent.

My girlfriend is a lawyer. She has a very very strong opinion on the "free man on the land" lunacy that is currently doing the rounds.

You do not have to agree to abide by an act of Parliament in order for it to be enforceable. Laws past in Parliament are not contracts.

 

[X-Terminator]

Yes but as has happened in courts, some such Laws do not stand up to being creditable when proof of liability is requested. Many courts give up e.g. Council Tax and Parking Fines. To use your Birth Certificate as the one which is on Trial and not the person is totally true as all labels within the legal system are contracts. We never signed our Birth Certificate to require one and so have no responsible attachment to what it has any relation to. Laws added to Common Law are simple wishes with threats if broken.