Friendly Fire
- Thread starter Fullo111
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Watch your radar, be aware of your surroundings, just like you would IRL and it won't happen again.
That being said, fines should not make you go to detention upon destruction.
That being said, fines should not make you go to detention upon destruction.
Also: things have gotten already much easier here. A single stray hit won't make you wanted by now. You have to do a certain amount of damage to get there.
I mean, if you drop a full volley of an Anaconda or the likes on a target, you'll be wanted in no time, but that's the price you pay for that much firepower. Small slips in other ships usually just get you a fine, the police you just shot at might be angry at you, but you can retreat and things will be fine again.
I mean, if you drop a full volley of an Anaconda or the likes on a target, you'll be wanted in no time, but that's the price you pay for that much firepower. Small slips in other ships usually just get you a fine, the police you just shot at might be angry at you, but you can retreat and things will be fine again.
It was a full blast of grade 2 engineered frag cannons at close range, to be honest.
Lestat
Banned
Understand this. Spray and Pray does not pay. You continued firing while a police ship was in your line of fire. You have many ways to view and notice ships and stop firing before they are in your line of fire.
1 Use Radar. You can tell if a ship flying up on one of your side or above or below you.
2 Use Sound You can hear something creep up on you.
3 Visual if you see something come in front of screen STOP SHOOTING.
I agree with the OP. The other day I was in a battle and one of the system security flew straight past my bow, right through my firing solution. I got a 100 CR fine, a wanted status and chased out of the system.
I mean, come on. That's like sending the army after someone for getting a parking ticket. As others have suggested, have the wanted status start at say 1,000 CR.
I mean, come on. That's like sending the army after someone for getting a parking ticket. As others have suggested, have the wanted status start at say 1,000 CR.
Lestat
Banned
So are you are saying your Ignored Sound, Radar and visual?
When did I say that?
Lesson 1 of pilots training should be:
You are responsible for your ship, your weapons and what goes in front of your guns.
You are responsible for your ship, your weapons and what goes in front of your guns.
Don't worry, I got the same arrogant response. I stumble into cross fire regularly during a fight I'm not involved in but I don't respond with anger as my shields are capable of handling some fire but these feds go nuts if I catch a little stray shrapnel. The amount of information you have to respond to in a short time is difficult when putting pips into the correct place, keeping the target in sight and checking that no one is wandering into my path.
What if you have turreted weapons that fire at will? Those things fire out of sight with no discrimination. If fire is sustained fire then you could interpret that as hostile, but a stray yet powerful shot against a small ship is taken as intent to kill. An NPC knows they're being targeted or scanned hence why they deploy hardpoints so surely they can work out that a one off hit whilst not being targeted isn't intentional.
Please don't rattle on about being a better pilot as we're all sat in our PJs and in a living room or man cave at home after a hard days work playing a simulation game. I don't want to die or go to prison for making a slight mistake.
It's up to you to decide if automatic turrets are necessary or are too much of a risk to be used.
A pilot who can't control what he shoots is a danger, and must be put down to avoid collateral casualties.
Be glad they don't send in ATR right away and only fine you and chase you out.
So if another pilot suddenly flies through my firing solution before I can disengage my weapons, that should be my fault?
I wouldn't call it chasing you out when they revert from destroying a target with a bounty to yourself within a split second. "Must be put down!!!"
It's a bloody mistake, a non lethal mistake in open space with little to no damage caused. I understand it maybe near a station with millions of lives at risk.
If I dropped shields and caused hull damage then fair enough. If someone stepped out onto a fast road in front of a car, who's at fault? The pedestrian knew the dangers yet continued anyway, and was hit. The driver knows there may be a chance that a pedestrian could step out so takes precaution, slowing down and reducing the damage caused on impact. The pedestrian is hit but not killed, yet he knew the risks and is grateful it wasn't fateful. Again, the driver isn't at fault, the pedestrian is.
A message even pops up now to tell us we're entering a conflict zone so they're clearly warning us to enter at risk so the same should be applied to all on friendly fire and what constitutes to dangerous and deadly.
We'll agree to disagree.
That applies both in game and in real life.
A soldier in combat will be held responsible if his shot hits an innocent bystander.
Lol, I have about 2500h on my vulture only, I am Elite in combat (reached in the same vulture) and I do PvP as well.
Just because you can't control your trigger fingers doesn't mean everyone who doesn't rack up fines by shooting untargeted stuff is a "troll".
You as a driver are still held responsible for the killed or injured pedestrian.
But martial law is way different from civilian "accidents".
See my answers above.
Well done for reaching Elite status and never getting a fine for friendly fire. Seriously. Well done. That's good.
You stated "A soldier in combat will be held responsible if his shot hits an innocent bystander" - but the other pilot was a member of system security. Another solider, effectively. If a soldier accidentally shoots another soldier - you have obviously heard of courts martial; if the wounded soldier was reckless, court martial would hold the soldier who fired the shot as innocent.
As a point of civil law, see the case Jackson v Murray (CS 2012) - a pedestrian was found to be 90% to blame for being struck by a car after she stepped out from behind a bus without looking. The driver only received 10% of the blame, and that only because he failed to reduce his speed.
Anyway, as others have said, we'll agree to disagree. All the best.
You stated "A soldier in combat will be held responsible if his shot hits an innocent bystander" - but the other pilot was a member of system security. Another solider, effectively. If a soldier accidentally shoots another soldier - you have obviously heard of courts martial; if the wounded soldier was reckless, court martial would hold the soldier who fired the shot as innocent.
As a point of civil law, see the case Jackson v Murray (CS 2012) - a pedestrian was found to be 90% to blame for being struck by a car after she stepped out from behind a bus without looking. The driver only received 10% of the blame, and that only because he failed to reduce his speed.
Anyway, as others have said, we'll agree to disagree. All the best.
Maybe the idea is better not to use some weapons in crowd places? Go to hazres at least.
A long time ago I decided to test c3 plasma accelerator on anaconda, first shoot - rebuy, because I did it in highres, I missed, the plasma travelled longer and hit some small ship to death. After that for some time I've lost taste to Anaconda and PAs.
Never said I never got fined, but I learned from my beginner mistakes and now it rarely happens, if ever.
And I don't recall complaining about it.
Lestat
Banned
Let see you did not read my first post.
No your arrogant response is you stumble into the crossfire because you are not using what around you. I can HEAR the ships come before I see them. I Don't rely on tunnel vision and ignore everything else I look around. The radar there to help you not some coaster you put your soda on and ignore. You can see that ship come along and see if it Red or Green or yellow and stop shooting if needed.
So stop using spray and Pray and complain when you hit a target.
I would not use automatic turrets in combat zones. If you are a Trader or Miner They are great for defence
YES. Because you are so focused on Tunnel vision and you ignore other features of the game like Sound Radar.
100% agree.