News Frontier Developments plc IPO announcement

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If/when the price gets to £2.25, my investment in FD will have generated enough profit to recoup my kickstarter investment which will essentially mean that I have got the the game for free! Fingers crossed...

If however it doesn't, then Elite: Dangerous has cost me a wedge. :/
 
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If/when the price gets to £2.25, my investment in FD will have generated enough profit to recoup my kickstarter investment which will essentially mean that I have got the the game for free! Fingers crossed...

If however it doesn't, then Elite: Dangerous has cost me a wedge. :/

You could always invest for the dividends... or is that 'old school' these days
 
You could always invest for the dividends... or is that 'old school' these days

In and out for me, expecting a massive surge once released, not sure whether to expect a drop off and then steady growth over time, or up and down. Either way, just want to recoup costs and move on.

Fun ride to come!
 
Weirdly this is the first investment I've actually been interested in - maybe I'm not an ideal investor - but it would be nice if a company held ground over time.
We'll see.
 
You could always invest for the dividends... or is that 'old school' these days

not old school but a question of why?

fd needs cash to transform the company & finance its growth. dividends are seen by current investors as a pre-mature option.

anyhow - the last uk gaming ipo i was part of (games workshop) went nicely, too. around 4,35 odd before selling on from around 1,15 as company share option :D

and i LOVE the leverage on fdev with low val. investments.

as mr. walsh said, stakeholders rather than shareholders
 
not old school but a question of why?

fd needs cash to transform the company & finance its growth. dividends are seen by current investors as a pre-mature option.

anyhow - the last uk gaming ipo i was part of (games workshop) went nicely, too. around 4,35 odd before selling on from around 1,15 as company share option :D

and i LOVE the leverage on fdev with low val. investments.

as mr. walsh said, stakeholders rather than shareholders

Deusx, what was the sort of timeline between the ipo going live and it reaching its peak of circa 4.35?
 
When I bought my shares (roughly 3700 of them) I got them for 1.42.

So I am already showing a profit with them at 1.58

But I'm not selling right now. so :p


:D
 
You might find email alerts by the London Stock Exchange helpful. I have one set to let me know if FDEV falls below 120p, then I'll buy a proper tranche.

Not really interested at the current price though, I prefer bargains.
 
Also I wrote this for another post, but it might be helpful to a few people on this thread.

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The stock is trading on AIM, which is the junior version of the London Stock exchange, this is a suitable market for the company is it is a low cost environment, but also means there will be a greatly reduced number of institutions and analysts looking at it. This could be an opportunity for us to pick up overlooked shares, but could equally mean the shares slump for extended period making it difficult to sell at a value you feel is justified.

It launched on this market back in July this year at 127p per share and has a total of 31,156,892 shares valuing the company at launch about £40m. That value has swung since between a low of £29m and a high of £51m. However, I should point out that valuations on AIM can often be rather illusory as so few shares get traded. I expect at the level of a private individual you could buy a few hundred pounds of shares at most levels, but a larger order my not be filled at those prices.

To compare the valuation of the company to something we can look at the results for their 2013 year which runs from April 2012 to May 2013. Here we see they had total sales of £12m and made a profit (EBITDA) on that of £3.6m, although that figure has been adjusted to remove certain costs around the floatation.

On simple terms then you could say that at the current valuation of £47m the company is able to earn £3.6m, or simplistically, pay for itself in 13 years. This is a fairly average multiple for an average quoted stock. Although much higher than you would pay for a business privately, say if you were buying a local business in your home town.

Again in simple terms I find that a fairly full valuation and feel no need to rush to buy shares. That said I wish I had noticed when the value dropped to just 29m, I would have immediately bought £10k of shares personally if they were there to be had.

However, the important thing to remember here if that Frontier is a business that is changing its business model. They are moving from a company that makes games for other people, to a company that is making their own game, ED. So the above figures are for the old business model, not the new. Albeit the money raised through kickstarter is going through the accounts so is boosting revenue.

When ED is launched, if successful could be a step change for the company, and after seeing the quality of the Alpha, I’m sure it will be. Although I have not taken the time to run any projections on what that might mean for the company in terms of revenues or profits, I don’t think I have the information to do that correctly.

Not that I am giving anyone advice, but if you did buy shares at the current price I hardly think you are doing anything foolish, not if you have faith in ED. That said, I will still be watching for a lower price before taking a position myself. I think I will acquire shares before the games launch, but feel no need to rush, there is plenty of time before then and I can pretty much guarantee that no matter how good the alpha and beta goes, no one in the investment industry will pay much attention until the game launches and actual sales figures emerge. This gives us fans plenty of time to take a leisurely view of how good ED will be, and plenty of time to buy shares if we wanted.

If you wanted to read more about the company its easy to do so here: http://www.investegate.co.uk/Index.aspx?searchtype=3&words=fdev
 
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Interesting, Unity would be one of the main competitors then I suppose. Unfortunately there is far to little information available about Cobra to be able to identify what sets the two apart.
Guess we will have to wait and see.

Perhaps 'Cobra,s' 4th version has 'Procedural Generation' tools in its code base....; or at least planned.:)
 
Well, I saw this thread just now. Suits me for not being here more often! (facepalm)

As a foreigner I'm a little confused about the currency notations used. I thought british pounds was either "£" or "GBp", but I see "p" also used - which I thought was Pence ... LOL

Anyway, I wish I could've watched this stock earlier.

I wonder about a couple of things:

1. How many shares was offered in this minority sell?
2. How many of the 31M+ unsold shares are included in the majority share pool?
 
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Well, if p means pence here the stock has gone from £1,27 (127p) to £150 since July 15.

So it's more likely people - even Frontier - use "p" as meaning Pounds.
 
I didn't see the actual figures as the LSE link uses an unsigned Java application, can only assume it's a 90s retro thing.
 

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I didn't see the actual figures as the LSE link uses an unsigned Java application, can only assume it's a 90s retro thing.

LOL! :D

p is pence. Since we decimalised our currency in the late 70's 100p = £1. Stocks are usually quoted in pence value. So 150p = £1.50 etc.

The stock has wobbled around a lot and seems fairly stable now at 150p. There's some volume - on the 31st over 4k shares changed hands and FDEV topped the activity list on the AIM that afternoon. Which arguably doesn't say much for the AIM.

I'm just hoping to cover the cost of the game + expansions. To do that I need the shares to hit about 180p. I have no idea if they will; although the game does look promising and the projected revenue from even just 1m unit sales covers most of the development costs to date. I'm sure ED will do better than that ..

So quietly optimistic.
 
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