Frontier Interim Results: major new paid-for release will mark beginning of new era for Elite Dangerous, targeted for launch at the end of 2020

metatheurgist

metatheurgist
Linnunrata said:
I think it is, but then again, most DLCs aren't as essential as Horizons is to ED.
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I think most would consider Atmo and Legs essential. Good news for future sales I guess?

Dagwit said:
I've yet to see an O'Neill cylinder in this game, never mind a ringworld or a Dyson sphere or anything that would put a serious strain on the Bubble's resources.
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There are O'Niel stations in the game. They look like a occulus variant.
 

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Ezren said:
When people boast about "telling it like it is", it translates into considering their own opinion on everything to be "how it is".

If you were so intent on "calling out hogwash" you would have made note of the negative tone of the commentary aligning with what was said by Eliza. For instance, the nonsensical "no mention of quality" in reference to cosmetics, just a vehicle to shoehorn a complaint in where it made no sense to do so.


But you certainly felt the need to introduce that conspiracy theory. Stewart's the mod of the ED Reddit, of course he pays attention to this stuff. For somebody who declared to be so against hogwash, you certainly aren't averse to spreading it.

"No harm done", but you were quick to level an accusation and then hedge it in with "just a gut feeling".

So you're wondering how honest Stewart posting excerpts of materials posted by FD is. The OP of the threads you're so very suspicious about is just calling attention to information by directly referencing it. It's not "honest or dishonest" because it's not his content he's posting. You may as well suspect a thermometer of having a hidden agenda.


The document isn't huge and it's not hard to navigate. He took the paragraphs with mention of Elite. Literally Find "Elite". 11 mentions in the document body, 11 instances in Stewart's post. Not very complex.

Yes, you have mentioned how you think you approach things in such an enlightened manner compared to others.

Stewart posted excerpts from a document with no commentary attached in the OP. You posted a conspiracy theory with suspicions based on loose conjecture. But you're accusing Stewart of having an agenda?
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You should re-read it, not much theory to it after all (by your own words).

Anyway, let's cut it short - there's no point in discussing these things, a lesson long learned in this place.

Plus... thinking about it, looks like I have to apologize; simply because one could interpret my post as personal "sniping" of sorts, which is against the Forum rules.
I just made my point clear and how I see such Releases.

Anything else is your own personal perception, to which you're perfectly entitled to.
 

Viajero

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Viajero
Obsidian Ant said:
I suspect (pure speculation) that if New Era is refactoring game code (seems likely), that Frontier will role that new code out to all players. Players who buy the expansion will get the new features. Players who don't buy the expansion will still get the new code, just not the new features.

There's precedent for this with other games, such as World of Warcraft...
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The precedent is not only with other games. That is exactly what FDEV has been doing with any Elite code improvement so far for all players with or without Horizons.
 

Viajero

Volunteer Moderator
Viajero
Wolf Starslayer said:
Bit off topic but share holding should bar you from being a moderator. Bound to put best spin on ur own investment , conflict of interest and all that.
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Perhaps you would prefer moderation be left to an actual FDEV staff person? ;) Joking aside I do not think there is any conflict in moderators being supportive of the game or developer they moderate for, shares or not. The opposite would be actually the odd thing.
 

zimms

zimms
Viajero said:
Perhaps you would prefer moderation be left to an actual FDEV staff person? ;) I do not think there is any conflict in moderators being supportive of the game or developer they moderate for, shares or not. The opposite would be actually the odd thing.
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You're looking at it from the wrong end, but I doubt he was seriously complaining anyway.
 

sandkid

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zimms said:
I think a lot of complaints were made because people would have loved to pay for meaningful content.
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Though NMS and Elite are two worlds apart, as a game in the same genre it doesn't help that HelloGames continues to provide free content updates at a regular pace. These updates are largely shallow (together, they've transformed the game) but that is reflective of the fact they are also free.

It's true, Elite has only derived revenue from copy sales and ARX since 2015. Without knowledge of how much revenue ARX (and its former system) provides, we can only say that the argument of "no finances since" is technically invalid. I agree with @zimms that the issue remains that FDev has:
  • Provided little meaningful content for an extended period
  • Allowed many-years-old bugs to flourish
  • Opted to not provide little (as in small) content updates regularly (a la NMS, about every quarter or less)
  • Opted to not provide large content updates for premium at a regular (i.e. semi-annual or so) pace.

This doesn't so much send a message as it just reeks of maintenance of mode. The description of New Era as akin to a reboot only worsens this assumption, true or not. Even BioWare with its doomed Anthem title at least tried to make something on a somewhat regular basis, failure and all. FDev seems to have just bolted the windows and doors and hung out a sign, "Gon Fishin, See You In 2021"

I understand why there are no CGs or IIs now. It's a crap reason, but I acknowledge it is the reason they gave.
But c'mon.

We're in February and they can't even find one guy for fifteen minutes to write one article?
Good grief, write about GalNet lost its contract with the Pilot's Federation and is no longer supported by COVAS while they settle a dispute.

The emptiness of Galnet (a tiny piece of this game) is perhaps the most obvious indicator that Elite is seriously devoid of life at the moment. Not players, not things to do, or even content (we can all be content creators if we so choose)...it is devoid of life. It feels purposeless.
 

Phoenix_Dfire

Phoenix_Dfire
Obsidian Ant said:
I suspect (pure speculation) that if New Era is refactoring game code (seems likely), that Frontier will role that new code out to all players. Players who buy the expansion will get the new features. Players who don't buy the expansion will still get the new code, just not the new features.

There's precedent for this with other games, such as World of Warcraft...
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Yes, you hope they would, World of Warcraft, Eve and numerous MMOs have upgraded their client and backend code several times. Bit like replacing worn out brush and then handle on a broom.

The exception has been (And I know I'm stealing a Certain Co-Hosts Thunder here) Guild Wars where they decided to completely do a new release. As Guild Wars and Elite: Dangerous are 'Buy Once and play' games (Not subscription or Fremium models), It might be in Frontier's interest to have the 'Classic' and New Era clients to be incompatible, thus forcing people to upgrade if they want to get the latest features.
 

Neutronium

Neutronium
testme27 said:
Does the fact that the next update is referred to as major new release rather than an expansion mean this will be Elite Dangerous 2?
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It doesn't matter what it will be called, wether it will be Elite Dangerous 2, Elite even more Dangerous or Elite Dangerous Beyond Horizons: Atmospheric Legs, as long as it is free for LEPers.
Also don't get that hyped about this new era. Always have in mind Elite's Darkest Day and keep your reservations & be conservative & skeptic.
As always have Immortan Joe's famous quote in mind:
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That way you will not be dissapointed if what was promised is not delivered.
 

Speedcuffs

Speedcuffs
Neutronium said:
It doesn't matter what it will be called, wether it will be Elite Dangerous 2, Elite even more Dangerous or Elite Dangerous Beyond Horizons: Atmospheric Legs, as long as it is free for LEPers.
Also don't get that hyped about this new era. Always have in mind Elite's Darkest Day and keep your reservations & be conservative & skeptic.
As always have Immortan Joe's famous quote in mind:
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That way you will not be dissapointed if what was promised is not delivered.
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Mediocre.
 

Burke

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metatheurgist said:
There are O'Niel stations in the game. They look like a occulus variant.
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And they have the same interior docks as the coriolis dont they? So really the coriolis is a fat O'Niel (not a name i have heard before) it spins just the same but its got stuff built on the outside. I think somebody pointed out that the buildings on the outside are actually upside down. I think...this is how they need to be for gravity to work.
 

Obsidian Ant

Obsidian Ant
Phoenix_Dfire said:
Yes, you hope they would, World of Warcraft, Eve and numerous MMOs have upgraded their client and backend code several times. Bit like replacing worn out brush and then handle on a broom.

The exception has been (And I know I'm stealing a Certain Co-Hosts Thunder here) Guild Wars where they decided to completely do a new release. As Guild Wars and Elite: Dangerous are 'Buy Once and play' games (Not subscription or Fremium models), It might be in Frontier's interest to have the 'Classic' and New Era clients to be incompatible, thus forcing people to upgrade if they want to get the latest features.
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Personally, I wouldn't at all be surprised to see Frontier do a "Guild Wars 2" with Elite, and basically release a completely new build of the game. If they did that however, I still suspect they would give the "new version" of the Elite base game to all existing players. Otherwise it would leave a confusing mess.

We could also speculate a bit more on this. Frontier could use "giving existing players the new version for free" as a great marketing opportunity. For example if the 2020 update is Space Legs...allow everyone the ability to walk around their ships. But to leave the ship you have to buy space legs. Solves a lot of problems; it gives everyone the new code base, deals with "boarding gameplay" incompatibility, and leaves players with a natural upgrade path.

I've no idea if Frontier would do such a thing...but it would make some sense if they did.
 

Ezren

Ezren
Obsidian Ant said:
Personally, I wouldn't at all be surprised to see Frontier do a "Guild Wars 2" with Elite, and basically release a completely new build of the game. If they did that however, I still suspect they would give the "new version" of the Elite base game to all existing players. Otherwise it would leave a confusing mess.

We could also speculate a bit more on this. Frontier could use "giving existing players the new version for free" as a great marketing opportunity. For example if the 2020 update is Space Legs...allow everyone the ability to walk around their ships. But to leave the ship you have to buy space legs. Solves a lot of problems; it gives everyone the new code base, deals with "boarding gameplay" incompatibility, and leaves players with a natural upgrade path.

I've no idea if Frontier would do such a thing...but it would make some sense if they did.
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Having two clients would be more trouble than it's worth, considering all the BGS variables that would need to be consistent across both versions, they'd be juggling updates and fixes that would need to be handled twice, in two different ways. Especially since there's console versions to consider, it would need to be an entirely different SKU and entry in a player's library.
 
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