I'm surprised the video was still on youtube, the comments section has 1 person saying F O to comments.
Frontier. Please make a PVE mode to this game.
- Thread starter CMDR Generic EventHandler
- Start date
I'm surprised the video was still on youtube, the comments section has 1 person saying F O to comments.
BY the way, does naming and shaming apply to someone who is no longer a member of this forum and one who has apparently given up Elite for good, at least according to his website?
I too try to be tolerant of PvP, accepting that the problem (gankers, greifers etc) is but a small subset of the PvP community and not representative.....but they do give PvP a bad name, especially when the only brand of 'PvP' a victim may see is of the ganking/griefing variety. As far as opting out is concerned, many already have, as the size if Mobius attests to. Many of those who would use an open PvE mode have already left the current open, and many who remain in open and would leave it to open PvE are players that PvPers would suggest shouldn't be in open anyway if they have no wish for PvP. We also see arguments that the Mobius membership (60-90k?), split as it is into at least 3 and eventually more over time, is insignificant compared to the size of the whole playerbase (one million plus?). But merge all the PvEers into a single mode of 60-90k + players and you have anything but an insignificant group. If the current open mode were populated with nothing more than 60-90k PvPers, would that also be considered an insignificance, if the shoe were on the other foot? I suspect not, yet certain types of PvPers persist in a line of reasoning that belies their own selfishness and fears that an open PvE mode would deprive them of easy targets.
.
All this reminds me of the schoolyard bullies who took great delight in things when they were allowed to have all the power, but when people stand up to them and oppose them, they whine and stamp their feet because they can't get what they want. In this case, the bullies are learning that they're not top dog because the game's design cleverly allows us to avoid them using other modes of play. And an open PvE mode represents an even more effective and efficient way of doing that because it will be an obvious menu option and not reliant on people finding out about Mobius, for example, by external means.
And every CG they will all be at the station with methods that are way more creative than my examples and all PvEers will return to their group and send bug reports to FD.
The gankers will claim to be in full right, because it's the only way they can oppose the CG and we are back to where we started.
One needs watch the video Genar posted for all of the evidence of this you need. So much whining and ing from that Wing of utter scum when the Fuel Rat chose to CL rather than put up with their bull. So much entitlement too, as though they were the ones who were cheated out of something, as though they were the victims. It's just sad.
Then FD will have to do some work, won't they.
People are already doing all this stuff, so the issue continuing isn't exactly a reason not to implement a feature that will benefit a huge number of people.
It's funny, people claim that griefers make up a tiny percentage of the community, that you have a 0.00000001% chance of being griefed, and yet griefing is going to be a major enough problem to make Open PvE completely impossible to play in? I'm really not seeing how both of those can be true. Yes people will continue to grief, but that's not enough of a reason to deny a lot of people the Open PvE mode they clearly desire.
Last edited:
I fail to follow your reasoning, CMDR. Fdev handily supplied PG mode just so like minded people could play together in this manner; that was the whole point of of PG in the first place. If you want to talk about "shouldn't have to" I think Fdev "shouldn't have to" create a new separate mode because some of you are now too good for the modes that were originally supplied for you in the first place
Also, think of our friend Mobius: he's eating this crap up with a spoon. If it weren't for his group providing a sanctuary for all you guys he'd be just another nobody. As it stands he gets to be like a cult figure for a big demographic, and I'm sure that suits him just like the cat's pajamas.
Yes, Frontier provided private groups as an option. However, the demand for open PvE quickly outstripped the private group functionality and continues to do so, exceeding the design intent. If anything, the Mobius private group has 'broken' the intent behind the private group functionality. Clearly Frontier had the right idea but seriously underestimated the demand for open PvE, and the ability of alternative modes to meet that demand. Or naively thought we'd all play nicely in the one open mode, and the jerks wouldn't show up. Ergo, something else is needed to meet the desire of open PvE focused players.....
Last edited:
Yes, ships in Eve just bump into each other ( and that's in a pvp universe ). No damage done. No ghost ships flying inside each other.
Pff, if that'd be in PVE it'd be no longer "valid" PVP gameplay and they can just be banned all the easier and good riddance then.
For 1/10 of the dev cost of open-PvE, FD could fix the player limit on groups. Add the option for multiple group admins and we could have an unlimited community run environment.
Better, cheaper and smarter. Democratic rules and efective enforcment.
And you keep ignoring posts which explain that breaking the terms of an Open-PvE mode means breaking the ToS and being banned from that mode, which would be an extremely effective way of preventing repeat episodes of such behaviour.
I don't really see how the cost of increasing the player limit in Private Groups is going to be significantly cheaper, nor how you know that it would be. The limit might just be a programmed number that can be changed, or it could be that the entire engine and network begins to collapse once you try to increase the number of people using the same private group.
Creating an Open PvE option would almost certainly take less work than CQC and would actually be used by more than 5 people a day.
At least you tried to deliver an inventive short story - I'll give you that.
I don't know the details but changing a limit should be doable. It was impossible to fix the 10000 post limit on the forum, if I recal correctly.
Another advantage is that group admins can ban whom ever they like.
For FD to ban someone from an open mode, the need to break the EULA.
How many have been banned from open, so far?
OT, but I thought I'd share: I just spent the last half hour at Jameson's. The instance was packed with CMDR's, including the one mentioned in Genar's video earlier. He rammed me just outside of the nofire zone and I opened up on him; I made him low wake and I chased him into SC, but he dropped back into Jameson's and got docked before I could prosecute; my new all fixed FdL is nothing short of scary
LOL I wonder if that person you took on was the same one that kept interdicting me in a FDL at Shinrarta in my unarmed icourier, problem is my ship has a 550m\s top speed and a 750m\s boost and he couldn't keep up with me so I only low waked to let him have another couple of goes
Last edited:
OT, but I thought I'd share: I just spent the last half hour at Jameson's. The instance was packed with CMDR's, including the one mentioned in Genar's video earlier. He rammed me just outside of the nofire zone and I opened up on him; I made him low wake and I chased him into SC, but he dropped back into Jameson's and got docked before I could prosecute; my new all fixed FdL is nothing short of scary
Instant rep (if i could. have some virtual rep)
LOL I wonder if that person you took on was the same one that kept interdicting me in a FDL at Shinrarta in my unarmed icourier, problem is my ship has a 550m\s top speed and a 750m\s boost and he couldn't keep up with me so I only low waked to let him have another couple of goes
Instant rep (if i could. have some virtual rep)
Most of the time it's pretty quiet in Shinrarta, but sometimes it's like the wild west. I went back right after that post and caught him out in the open, but I misjudged the no fire zone and ended with the station defenses turning on me. Managed to hi wake with 53% hull...
Nothing worth mentioning going on now.
I suspect almost every inhabitant of other PGs and solo would happily co-exist in OpenPvE and I suspect their numbers vastly outweigh the size of Mobius.
You're being disingenuous here - this is seriously obvious stuff. Once you total up all the people who go into solo/pg for CG's or hotspots and engineers but otherwise play in Open too I suspect you're starting to look at almost the entire population of the game minus PvP groups which we know are relatively small.
Well, to be completely fair a few people do play in Solo due to other reasons. Bad connection, preferred loneliness, that sort of thing. Not that this changes anything in the discussion, but counting literally everyone in solo as interested in a PvE mode isn't right. The same probably goes for certain PGs. Otherwise I agree.
Not that I'm picky - but since some people like to grasp at straws when coming up with reasons not to have a PvE mode, I thought I'd clear this up.
Last edited:
Fair point, and one I tried to cover with "almost every" - I know a few players who have no interest in anything but a solo game and fair enough. This whole forcing people to experience things in a certain way isn't right whatever way folk are pulled.
Anyone else think they just released thargoids to de-rail pve mode requests ?