Frontier Should Abandon "OPEN" Mode to Save Elite
- Thread starter Larry B Baker
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Or, and I might be reaching a bit here, play in solo/PG and don't join Open if it hurts you that much? Its a simple solution for the problem you have overcomplicated.
Leave it as-is. Let the folks who are in the mood to swim with the sharks do so as they wish and let the folks who aint avoid it. At different times, a player might fall into either of those two categories and that's fine. The "modes" are only directives to the matchmaking server anyway "Don't instance me with anyone" = Solo. "Only instance me with these players" = PG. "Instance me with anyone" = Open. Otherwise its the same code running the same game.
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By the way, Open is just fine, gankers are a myth for many, an annoyance for those that do not even bother to learn how to fly and outfit their ships.
That's just not true, with small or medium ships a fully engineered Fer de Lance will blow you up to smithereens before you ever have time to high jump, let alone if it's not one but a ganker wing. I have been hearing this argument again and again from gankers and, after more than 5 years of playing Elite and watching all the gankers videos on how to survive, I can only conclude that it's nothing more than a very convenient excuse to keep griefing and shift the blame into the ones that just started the game.
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By the way, Open is just fine, gankers are a myth for many, an annoyance for those that do not even bother to learn how to fly and outfit their ships.
The only way to survive gankers in fully engineered ships is to use very specific builds packed with shield boosters. Those builds are only possible for ships of a minimum size. Then, a newbie might not have a good enough ship for that, might not have the credits to build it, or might want to use his very limited hardpoints for other things so his gameplay doesn't completely suck .
Then again I dont think that what OP proposes makes any sense, if you want to eliminate Open you might as well just play Solo and not care at all about Open... The problem here is for the ones of us that want to play in a breathing universe, with other players, without being exposed to the toxicity of gankers. And no, private groups is not a breathing universe with all the community.
I dont know how much OP has been playing but apparently he already knows about blocking those people so there is that. Probably you already know the process OP, but right now that's the only thing we have and It works wonders. You get interdicted by one of those, you submit, you high wake to avoid the mass block, and you block him, and you repeat, blocking every single one of them. I assure you that after not so many blocks your open experience becomes way more enjoyable and they remain alone griefing between themselves.
Until crime and punishment becomes a real thing thats what we got.
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Well I was close. Almost...
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General - Remove private Lobby and single Player
As the title says: Remove private Lobby and single Player. Why? Because right now people are having influences on the galaxy and you can't stop them from having it. Best examples are Community events and Powerplay. My power was expanding into a system and I sat there for over an hour and...
Really?
Not later than yesterday i got interdicted by a wing of 3 in the current CG System. The interdicting ship was a Phantom.... i was in a Mamba and he shot TORPEDOS (still laughing hard at it) at me... i just minded my business and carried on with my flight, leaving the instance with over 98% of shield despite their poor attempt.
Most of the kills from gankers are caused by cmdrs panicking or flying glass ships for the sake of maximizing stats like jump range / cargo hold capacity.
Those guys are out there for the big game, i assume, are bored to death so they get some sort of relief from the salt of the cmdrs that come crying on the forum about Open, whatever, they are not a threat especially on a small or medium ship properly fitted and competently flown.
If anything, Open is one of the thing that keeps this game alive.
Let's remove open, PGs, and solo. Only CQC shall remain.
Well maybe... MAYBE... There are a lot of people who'd like to play with other players, or at least see them around, and not be killed by them?
Just, you know, a thought.
It's true that some unengineered ships might get melted before they can highwake, but if you can't run in an engineered ship with decent shields you're doing something wrong.
4 pips to SYS. 2 pips to ENG.
Boost.
Boost.
Highwake.
I can't even count the number of times I've successfully done this, even against groups of up to six gankers. The only times I've been blown up is when I've tried to fight.
4 pips to SYS. 2 pips to ENG.
Boost.
Boost.
Highwake.
I can't even count the number of times I've successfully done this, even against groups of up to six gankers. The only times I've been blown up is when I've tried to fight.
Joined the forums less than two months ago.
So you are in the 55 million credits fastest ship in the game and you survived. Count me surprised. Now try the same thing in a Sidewinder, an Adder or a Hauler against a wing of FdL packing corrosive multicannons and engineered lasers. Let's see how much the flying matters.
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If the newbie is playing in Open and knows the risks, I'd commend him/her for their bravery instead of condemn gankers for doing what they are allowed to do in Open. Is it unsporting to club seals? Yes, but if you're a seal you don't have to present your head to a club by playing in Open.
I just don't get where these horror stories comes from. I play in Open all the time and outside of CGs I almost never see anyone get murdered.
I remember the time I took my sidey to Wyrd and some guy in a corvette tried to chase me down.
I just didn't let him interdict me. Because the sidey is agile enough in supercruise to just keep him in front of me no matter what he tried.
There's no amount of engineering that will change that.
I see your point but I dont share it and that is ok. I was just replying to the Cmdr saying that with the right procedure and skillful flying you will survive a gank with any ship which is, according to my experience, not true at all.
I had the pleasure to introduce 5 friends to the game. Eventually they all needed to go, of course, to Deciat and they forgot to change to Solo, three blown at different times in unengineered ships on their first days on the game (of course, the griefers that are in Deciat are there to blow unengineered ships, the others have the blueprint pinged already). Two almost left the game. Sorry but that practice kicks players out of the game and that's on the griefers, not on the new players. I can confirm that in the places where the newbies go there are gankers, its not an urban legend.
Back at the times of Borann and the LTD mining it was packed with them too, during the adamastor quest I also saw people blown to pieces. Of course they are localized but that doesn't make it any less toxic and that's the kind of activities that new players do. New players dont go to Beagle Point after a week of playing. According to me high sec should be high sec at least, it is not on the new player to go to play alone or get blown to pieces is on the game to provide safe bubbles and risky places. In elite everything is free no matter where you gank.
The learning curve to escape ganks is pretty steep, and there's nothing in game that helps you.
The only way to 100% escape is not even be interdicted in the first place, especially in small or medium ships that would not last the 15 secs needed to escape.
It's hard, but not impossible, to fly smartly and not allow anyone to get on your six.
If you get to the interdiction mini game then it's usually game over.
The problem is that it's rare to be able to practice doing this, and it's not practical most of the time as most other CMDRs just ignore you in my experience.
Trade CGs are probably the best to practice on - but the risk is quite high.
The only way to 100% escape is not even be interdicted in the first place, especially in small or medium ships that would not last the 15 secs needed to escape.
It's hard, but not impossible, to fly smartly and not allow anyone to get on your six.
If you get to the interdiction mini game then it's usually game over.
The problem is that it's rare to be able to practice doing this, and it's not practical most of the time as most other CMDRs just ignore you in my experience.
Trade CGs are probably the best to practice on - but the risk is quite high.
Sorry you got ganked, OP. It's a tough experience to be sure; esp. if you're not used to it. However, I don't think getting rid of Open Play is a good solution. Rather, perhaps it'd be better to see it as a challenge to work around or deal with. Might offer you a form of interesting gameplay that you might have not considered before.
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Well, ED has survived for nearly 7 years with an open mode. So this "destruction" of the game by "gankers" must be a death by a thousand cuts 