Frontier, you guys should play the Witcher 3...

[Cmdr Irenicus]

Op makes a moot point. Completely vastly different genre of games, not comparable in the slightest

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I already sold my copy of Witcher 3 - poor graphics and dull gameplay

Poor graphics? LOL. Perhaps if you are playing on a dinosaur computer......and the other..well that's just silly. Clearly you didn't play it.

 

[Lazerus Artificial]

Dear, half this thread.
OP is comparing ED and TW3 as products, not as games.
Stop bringing up the whole "they are nothing alike" argument. It is not valid in this context.

The Witcher 3 delivered as a product.

Elite hasn't delivered fully yet, I think we all can all agree.

I still believe that Frontier will yet make a great game. I wouldn't be here otherwise.

well...as a product...
The Witcher 3 had a budget of around 67M USD, 35M of that for marketing.
Elite Dangerous had something around 8M£ (there was a GC quote, 1.5M from kickstarter + their own money), thats around 12-13M USD.
Thats around a third of what TW3 spend on marketing alone!

Nothing against TW3, but what they do is exactly that - marketing.
Free DLCs? Free Artbooks? Soundtracks? No DRM? thats just one big marketing campaign, thats what players want - free stuff.
Away from those "hey you have bought the fullprice tutorial, if you want the full game, you need to buy the other 10 full price DLCs over the next 4 years...oh and have you bought the awesome day one dlc that you need to understand the story?"

Both, TW3 and ED are good games, personally i dont like TW3 though (dont like the combat...im usually a thief, not a warrior)
But seriously...comparing those two games is just stupid. Not just because they have a completely different genre, but also a completely different funding.
Elite is more like most modern Buy to Play MMOs, we buy it once and play it, later on there will be some DLCs to add further content, also there is an itemshop (merchandise with paintjobs in this case).
And whats wrong with this? Nothing.
Seriously, if you want the soundtrack, the whole thing is uploaded on youtube.

EDIT
and seriously...the game that FD released with that funding alone is great.
i think we all had that "woah" feeling when we first entered a belt, right?

 

[Zerosum]

you want a serious comparison? fine x3, that was a fine game(main quest was terrible though). You can compare this title to w3. I said earlier take out main story of w3. you have interesting side quests with content that matches your profession. You have exploration. Setting or world backdrop. The customization of types of character is comparable ( and limited somewhat). Can't really compare combat obviously. w3 is buttonmash unless you turn up difficulty then its use your tools to win or die, much like E. Graphics are fine in both games but remember w1 and2 had a enhanced version upgrade (for free) look for it again. Crafting. Gwent in a bar (gambling in a station? nope.) E can add these things in the existing game as well. We don't need cutscenes, we just need some sort of attachment to our credits as they roll in. Do I like both games ? Yes. Both have a lot of room to grow, but w3 has a nice base to start at.

 

[Araviel]

well...as a product...
The Witcher 3 had a budget of around 67M USD, 35M of that for marketing.
Elite Dangerous had something around 8M£ (there was a GC quote, 1.5M from kickstarter + their own money), thats around 12-13M USD.
Thats around a third of what TW3 spend on marketing alone!

Nothing against TW3, but what they do is exactly that - marketing.
Free DLCs? Free Artbooks? Soundtracks? No DRM? thats just one big marketing campaign, thats what players want - free stuff.
Away from those "hey you have bought the fullprice tutorial, if you want the full game, you need to buy the other 10 full price DLCs over the next 4 years...oh and have you bought the awesome day one dlc that you need to understand the story?"

Both, TW3 and ED are good games, personally i dont like TW3 though (dont like the combat...im usually a thief, not a warrior)
But seriously...comparing those two games is just stupid. Not just because they have a completely different genre, but also a completely different funding.
Elite is more like most modern Buy to Play MMOs, we buy it once and play it, later on there will be some DLCs to add further content, also there is an itemshop (merchandise with paintjobs in this case).
And whats wrong with this? Nothing.
Seriously, if you want the soundtrack, the whole thing is uploaded on youtube.

EDIT
and seriously...the game that FD released with that funding alone is great.
i think we all had that "woah" feeling when we first entered a belt, right?

even if you think its completely stupid to compare the two you still managed to make one of the most interesting comparison posts in this entire thread,
cheers for that, have some rep

 

[Sonoskay]

He didn't really put it too well, I'll admit. But obviously its not a direct comparison as the genres and styles are totally different.

I think the 'comparison' is one of two open world games, and their relative quantity and quality of content and gameplay. You could really, just as well use any other one as an example, like Fallout, GTA, Just Cause, for that particular point. At least, that's how I interpreted what he meant.

Even this feels like a horrid comparison. As you cant compare a single player rpg sandbox,That is structured around a single character. In order to make content like CD project red. you need to have a solid Charcter as a foundation to play as. and Most of that game is how geralt interacts with the world around him. This game is an Multiplayer sandbox/space opera where YOU are the center of your own experiences and storys. not a specific character. I just feel now matter how you go about it the basic foundation is so VASTLY different that the experiences you get from them are on oposite spectrums, The things that are the same are so small compared to whats different.



Just so people know this is coming from a person who loves both ED AND Witcher 3, These games are both great in their own way. ultimately going for different experiences.

 

[Shaamaan]

I figured I'd chime in.

A lot of people seem to think I wish to compare the gameplay aspect of the Witcher 3 with the gameplay aspect of Elite. This is obviously impossible to compare, as one's a third person RPG, the other a space sim. BUT what I DID compare (and what I'm trying to point out in my post) is the, hmm, let's call it "meaningful content per Euro spent".

As I wrote in my original post, Frontier had created a superb game engine (awesome flight model), great audio-visuals that suck you in and... then procedurally generated the rest, in what sometimes feels like the easiest and cheapest way possible. This often leaves the world feeling empty and devoid of life, even in the most populated regions of space. And even now, after so many people asked for content and context, what we get is strictly in text-form with some progress bars layered over that.

Whether you like or dislike the Witcher 3 doesn't really matter at this point - the game is packed to the gills with content. Every side quest is a unique, fully voiced experience. Every little village (or ruin) is a new thing to explore - it's not procedurally generated - it's been hand-crafted for that extra bit of magic.

And then you can see all the OTHER content CDP Red offers - free soundtrack, comics, goodies, artbooks, world compendiums, DLC (cosmetic and otherwise). All for free (or, well, included with the original game price).

This really takes the spotlight, and leaves other games looking... well, poor and empty, in comparison.

And finally - I really REALLY don't want to bash Frontier. This isn't meant to be a hate-post. I want to like Elite. Or, perhaps to paraphrase, I STILL want to like Elite. I want to shout "shut up and take my money" when they release a paid expansion... except with the way things are going right now, I'll likely not only think twice, but three times, before I make any purchase from Frontier. And I might end up getting another game... and something tells me I'm not alone in this.

 

[Sonoskay]

Nothing against TW3, but what they do is exactly that - marketing.
Free DLCs? Free Artbooks? Soundtracks? No DRM? thats just one big marketing campaign, thats what players want - free stuff.
Away from those "hey you have bought the fullprice tutorial, if you want the full game, you need to buy the other 10 full price DLCs over the next 4 years...oh and have you bought the awesome day one dlc that you need to understand the story?"


i think we all had that "woah" feeling when we first entered a belt, right?

While most of what you said i can agree with, this part is straight up wrong. While all that has the added bonus of being extra marketing, its not really at all the reason they did all this. way back in the first witcher, they released the "enhanced edition" for FREE! as a patch to those who bought the original on PC, to make their game better, Witcher 2 was one of the most pirated games of all time, AND THEY STILL HATE DRM. In an intervew they said they do these things because this is what they wish other game companies would do as this is what they would want as a consumer. and prove you can do all these things and still make oodles of money. they legitimately beilve these things. to write it off as "oh marketing" is completely misunderstanding what CD projekt is and does. heck they run GoG on the platform that DRM is bull. They Have quality standards for the games they put on there.

 

[Bomba Luigi]

Everybody should play the Witcher!

Has nothing to do with ED tough, these Games are so diffrent I don't see how it makes sense trying to compare them.

 

[FuzzySpider]

Everybody should play the Witcher!

Has nothing to do with ED tough, these Games are so diffrent I don't see how it makes sense trying to compare them.

He wasn't comparing gameplay, he was comparing the success of the finished products in their application and the deviation in their respective goals.

Ultimately both of these games, most of us though, were to be based on immersion and the experience of the player in the world in which the game occurs. If that is the case The Witcher 3 has been a success, Elite: Dangerous is adding things which distract from that.

It's not comparing a bridge to a tunnel directly, but rather comparing the success of a bridge in delivering people to the other side of a river vs the success of a tunnel in doing the same.

 

[Shaamaan]

It's not comparing a bridge to a tunnel directly, but rather comparing the success of a bridge in delivering people to the other side of a river vs the success of a tunnel in doing the same.

As long as, in your comparison, in one case the obstacle is a river and in the other the obstacle is a mountain.

EDIT: Why was this moved to the off-topic section? It's not off-topic - it's about comparing the value of content of Elite with another game. How is that NOT discussion about Elite, I don't know... Well, I'd wager it's because it puts Elite in a bad light, and is true at the same time...

 

[Insomnia]

On the topic of CDPR hates DRM...
Not sure if this has been posted before.
They really do hate DRM.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/witcher-3-in-game-book-talks-about-drm-promotes-go/1100-6427631/

 

[Shaamaan]

On the topic of CDPR hates DRM...
Not sure if this has been posted before.
They really do hate DRM.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/witcher-3-in-game-book-talks-about-drm-promotes-go/1100-6427631/

I think they were pretty darn consistent with their distaste of DRM from the start, so I don't think it's a "marketing move" as some people claim. Witcher 2 had DRM because it was enforced by publishers from other countries at the time (if memory serves). CDP later released a patch which, besides fixing bugs... removed the DRM. I don't really remember the story with the Witcher 1...

 

[Lobstris]

Whether anyone believes E and TW3 comparable or not, I'll quite happily proclaim The Witcher 3 as probably the best game I've played since starting gaming in '81, irrespective of 'downgraded graphics' or 'poor combat', simply because the game has believable characters, believable motives for those characters, doesn't involve binary morale choices, and when you make a choice the outcome isn't necessarily immediately apparent, oh and the whole *atmosphere* of the game. I've put far more hours into E: D over the past year though, and will return to E in the future as I'm quite happy just doing random stuff in the game. Both are comparable (IMHO) in that you can just wander and see what's out there (just that if you wander into the wrong location in the Witcher, you're going to end up dead, which is what should happen in Elite... but...)
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Rogue System is another instant buy for me - that docking video for example shows *exactly* what I thought E: D's docking HUD should be like.

 

[CMDR Reza Malin]

This doesn't make sense. I haven't played The switcher 3. I also didn't play 2. I hated 1. Repetitive, poorly designed combat system, and distasteful content throughout. Turned me away from the entire series.

So from that perspective, ED is entirely a better game.

So you only played 1, yet you are judging 3 based on that? Lol! Witcher 1 is about 10 years old, are you special or something? Do you realise how ridiculous your comment is? Having played all 3, i can say they are all totally different games. I didn't like 1 either, it was very niche. 2 was good. 3 is amazing.

Half the people here are so laughable, they are judging a game they haven't played. Probably thinking going against the hype makes them look cool or something. Wrong i am afraid.

 

[Lazerus Artificial]

So you only played 1, yet you are judging 3 based on that? Lol! Witcher 1 is about 10 years old, are you special or something? Do you realise how ridiculous your comment is? Having played all 3, i can say they are all totally different games. I didn't like 1 either, it was very niche. 2 was good. 3 is amazing.

Half the people here are so laughable, they are judging a game they haven't played. Probably thinking going against the hype makes them look cool or something. Wrong i am afraid.

isnt it always like that?^^