Trusted? I personally don't know them.
Frontier you have lost me as a customer (Updated to make no mention of a nono topic that can only be talked about in a single thread and nowhere else)
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Were they in a game marketed and sold as a fully finished product?
Yes?
Then they're features until they are no longer present.
Lol. The most ridiculous thing I have read in here for s long time. So you're saying that bugs in a game are features until they are removed. Are you really saying that?
Calling longstanding bugs "features" is a joke. Do you really need this to be explained, or are literal semantics actually that important for you?
If you market and advertise and then sell a product under false pretenses, lie to your customers about the state your game is in immediately before launch, and then sell them a premium-priced product that is riddled with nothing but bugs, glitches, downgrades, errors, and all manner of other issues, then yes.
Those issues are the defining features of your product, and if a company doesn't want them to be, then they should have put more time in to making sure those issues weren't present in the first place, or at the VERY least, put up a disclaimer you must agree to prior to any ability to purchase that the product will contain those issues and many others as it is a work-in-progress build.
Frontier did not do this. They lied about the state the game was in, they sold us a premium product riddled with issues without warning, and now Elite gets to join Cyberpunk 2077 as a game whose defining features are the myriad of bugs and issues that plague the experience.
Well, this is a lie right here isn't it. You have no proof that they lied. Its not riddled with just bugs and downgrade. That is another blatant untruth.
This is just utterly ridiculous. The defining feature is the ability to get out of your ship on your commanders two feet, which it does well, in my opinion. Bugs are not features.
You don't know they lied. The bugs are not the feature. Hell, I play the game and hardly notice the bugs and UI issues at the moment. So no they are not the defining issues, unless you decide to blind yourself from all of the good stuff it has added.
What you are saying just sounds really silly.
My friend, you are in a serious state of denial and you need to open your eyes and stop covering them and plugging your ears. All you're doing is ensuring that Odyssey never gets actually fixed and that this becomes standard for every future update for Elite. It already was standard, just not this egregiously so.
I'm not in any denial. I just talking about my own experience of EDO so far. Yours maybe different. But to say that unintentional bugs are features is just plainly absurd and completely not true.
There is nothing I am doing that ensures Odyssey doesn't get fixed. I don't make the decisions. If that was the case, then their wouldn't have been a big update today fixing and enhancing loads of stuff.
Again, another absurd comment.
They are features. They define the defective product that is still being sold to people.
You can sit there and insist I'm being "absurd" all you want, but you're just straight up in denial at this point so it's not surprising. The only "absurd" thing here is the audacity of Frontier to continue to charge money for this atrocity. If this was a physical good and it released this broken, they'd be forced to recall it. Instead, they continue to sell it for full-price with no warning about the massive number of issues plaguing their product to pull in unsuspecting buyers, which is selling a defective product under false pretenses and the only reason they're getting away with it is because of the software industry not being regulated the way it should be, and they merely make the "promise" that they'll slowly fix it when they have time while they devote most of their time and resources in to pushing out more products that will more than likely be just as defective.
They define it for you, for some bizarre reason. But just because they are defining the expansion for you, doesn't make them features.
I can, because you are. I am not in denial about anything. Do you not think that my experience of the expansion is different to yours. I seem to be playing without major issues. So how am I in denial?
You find it an atrocity. I am having great fun with it by playing the game. For me it's been well worth the money. For others it may well not be. This is subjective.
For many it is not broken and is very playable.
They are fixing the issues. Have you not seen the updates coming out or are you just ignoring them?
As to unsuspecting buyers, well all the potential issues are well documented. If they buy it and it doesn't work, then they only have themselves to blame.
At the end of the day FDev have employees to pay, so they need to sell their product. You can of course get a refund if it is not working.
You seem to not get it that people will feel differently about stuff that you do. And because of that you accuse them of being in denial. I am not in denial. I know the game has issues, but I don't let those issues define the expansion for me. What defines it for me, is what enjoyment I get from it, which at the moment, is a lot.
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I find it amusing that every single space game I play that had a rocky launch (which, oddly enough, is nearly all of them) people from that other game show up to say:"Play our buggy crap! Your game is now buggy crap too, so why not give our crap a punt?!" Then a little while later the launch is decently running and the show returns with the next launch.
Yes, NMS's launch was terrible and people were rightly upset at HG. Then it got fixed and became stable and wimproved. Yes, Horizon's launch was problematic. Yes, X:R and X4 were deeply flawed at launch. Its absolutely valid to be upset when that happens and demand better. But please just stop pointing to the one singular game that combinees the worst of the industry into one package.
Yes, the whole cosmetics focus of FD is shameless and should be ridiculed. But it is still lightyears ahead of the bizarro horrorfest that is CIG's p2w store where people spend literal tens of thousands of real-life dollars. Yes, there are server issues with EDO. But yesterday I played for six consecutive hours, that other game is not even remotely on the same page. Yes, FD's communication is bad, and they should improve there. But even FD's communication is still way ahead of the non-stop nonsense from CIG's PR department.
There is plenty to discuss about other games, plenty to improve, plenty to ridicule and plenty to get upset about. So far ED and other games typically have bad launches, followed by fixes. Its annoying, sure. But it is tiresome to see these Star Citizen vultures float around every injured space game to hawk their broken nonsense that hasn't been in any decent shape at any period of time at all.
Oh well. Next year Starfield releases and we'll have the same people show up there. "I was a Bethesda fan for years but I feel so disrespected! Play Star Citizen, its everything I hoped Starfield would be!"
Yes, NMS's launch was terrible and people were rightly upset at HG. Then it got fixed and became stable and wimproved. Yes, Horizon's launch was problematic. Yes, X:R and X4 were deeply flawed at launch. Its absolutely valid to be upset when that happens and demand better. But please just stop pointing to the one singular game that combinees the worst of the industry into one package.
Yes, the whole cosmetics focus of FD is shameless and should be ridiculed. But it is still lightyears ahead of the bizarro horrorfest that is CIG's p2w store where people spend literal tens of thousands of real-life dollars. Yes, there are server issues with EDO. But yesterday I played for six consecutive hours, that other game is not even remotely on the same page. Yes, FD's communication is bad, and they should improve there. But even FD's communication is still way ahead of the non-stop nonsense from CIG's PR department.
There is plenty to discuss about other games, plenty to improve, plenty to ridicule and plenty to get upset about. So far ED and other games typically have bad launches, followed by fixes. Its annoying, sure. But it is tiresome to see these Star Citizen vultures float around every injured space game to hawk their broken nonsense that hasn't been in any decent shape at any period of time at all.
Oh well. Next year Starfield releases and we'll have the same people show up there. "I was a Bethesda fan for years but I feel so disrespected! Play Star Citizen, its everything I hoped Starfield would be!"
I have high hopes for this one.
Given we know virtually nothing about it yet and its made by a studio who has been in a decline for decades I am adopting a wait and see approach. Besides, I tend to keep a $1=30 minutes mentality anyway; a $60 game should give me 30 hours of fun. CP2077 gave that, EDO will get there this month for me and I am cautiously expecting to get 30 hours of out a new Bethesda IP regardless of the rest. Even FO4 did that easily.
But will it be the ultimate forever game that will keep me hooked for years and years to come, as I've heard people proclaim? Dunno. Seems a bit too much to expect from a few tenners anyway.
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Given the state their games are in at least at the beginning (though sometimes for the long term, only saved by the modding community), what they've done to the Fallout series, the engine Starfield is based on, and the fact it's not launching until at least 1.5 years from now, I can't say I do.
However - if and when it releases, and turns out to be a good game, I will purchase it at full fat price no problem. Until then I will simply forget it exists because hype is a cruel mistress.
I was too busy stewing about the way the FSS was implemented to care about your texture bug fetish. But to each their own.
Well I defended the "bring back the ADS crowd" despite being a fan of the FSS myself. We are stronger together!
And if you had to suffer those shadows, you'd have a fetish too
No point in trying to argue with those so deeply in denial that they've deluded themselves into believing their own nonsense. Best to just pat them on the head and smile, and go on about your day safe in the knowledge that someone professional will maybe help them, one day.
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Thats what i would like to say.
Maybe we all should [REDACTED] this game? No VR - no [REDACTED] money from me Thank you.
Its very sad, i am playing this game since 2014
btw, take a vote:
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Thats what i would like to say.
Maybe we all should [REDACTED] this game? No VR - no [REDACTED] money from me
Thank you.Its very sad, i am playing this game since 2014
btw, take a vote:
Elite: Dangerous - Community Poll
A player-launched poll which will be posted on Frontier Forums about the community's preferences: What should get into the game at the next time when Frontier will have time to develop new contents in your opinion? I've collected the most popular wishes from different corners of the community...
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i wont buy any google products, they keep buying companies, then abandoning them a few years later, same with elite, if frontier doesnt support VR and abandons it, i will never buy another frontier product in my life, i know its not much, but its the only power i have in this situation.
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