Frontier you talked about the "traveler" style of exploration and misunderstood one key thing
*edit, READ NEW CONTEXT TO MY THREAD
Anyways I came back to say that after some people calmed me down and one in particular explained something:
That I am not AS worried as before. The person in question who told me this has the exact same exploration style as me and fully understands where I am coming from.
The context I was missing it seems, was that the filter system gives an overview of the entire system and allows you to briefly judge it based on that. It is NOT only a system to filter out things you want (though you can use it for that). Frontier went on about money and the people on the forums keep telling me if I only want earth likes I can do that. Neither was what I cared for.
However the knowledge that their is indeed a way to quickly judge binary/whatever orbits, proximity, and such even if it's in a way that does factually take longer does go a long way to mitigating my issues.
I only wish some people had taken the time to explain that. I still have some reseverations about time though, but I do know that FD is fully aware of exactly what this thread brings up and that also goes a long way to making me feel better.
Again, this does not negate my thread because this is an ongoing discussion here and at frontier developments itself so I know for a fact that it's not something to dismiss out of hand. But now more then ever I am still willing to wait for the beta to truly decide for myself.
Also a BIIIIIIG THANK YOU to everyone who kept it civil as well. anyways back to the old thread.
I love everything except for one thing...I just don't get how this system will be "almost as fast"
I can not believe on my last trip where I visited thousands of systems that this new system would have taken a similar amount of time. Many systems have 50+ bodies and I have to individually select every single one of them?
When FD started talking about travelers I got hype because I thought they understood...and then they go "well using the ADS would give you the same amount of credits as before." and my heart completely stopped.
This isn't about money. I don't care if there's an earth like. I don't care to only scan valuable bodies. The earth like is only valuable to me if it's somewhere cool. Like say in orbit around a gas giant...or inside a planetary nebula.
I AM ONLY looking for systems that are interesting. And the thing about this game is that an interesting system can be anything. Stars, planets, belts, rings, etc. It can be distance, size, color, proximity, mountains, rifts, etc.
This means in order to find these planets you can NOT skip anything. Not a single planet.
FD is effectively taking all the information we had before and forcing us to press a and look around.
Not having to travel to bodies is a plus. mapping planets is a plus. Everything they added is a plus imo EXCEPT for the fact that they missed out why some people like me "travel" as a exploration style.
Because all the information for nearly everything we needed was avaliable from the ADS scanner. Most importantly a basic look at the look of the planets and their distances.
Their is no conceivable way this new system is "just as/almost as fast." when we are talking thousands upon thousands of systems NOBODY has been to before for months on end. I literally have to scan every single planet, in every single system for months on end, individually just to make sure i don't miss anything.
This filter system literally does nothing to decrease my time. I do not have the luxury of skipping any planet. This isn't about money.
I know what I am doing. I know how to find interesting places. And I never needed to fly to a planet to figure that out, I had all the info i needed from the current ads system.
This is leaving me incredibly stressed out. Because when I explore I sometimes detour for 15kly just to visit a single system and then double back. I move fast, I know where I want to go. I sometimes bookmark over 100+ systems in a journey (always deleting and adding new bookmarks for lack of space) and I visit every single one of them. My last major trip lasted for months and I visited over 100 planetary nebula near the core of the galaxy. By zig zagging up and down and all over I made a trip last for months visiting over 5,000 systems. And I looked at the system map for every single one of those places.
And with near 100% certainty I can say didn't skip or miss a single system that was interesting that I jumped too. I always have a drive to go somewhere else, there is always one more location that's thousands of ly away.
Everything about the exploration coming is brilliant imo except for the time needed to scan systems. I don't care about money. My system I found that has a ice planet so close to the rings of a gas giant, that moves fast enough in its orbit you can literally watch it orbit around the gas giant...is worth more then any sum anyone could give to me.
But the scanner would just say it's an icy world near a gas giant. I wouldn't know it was valuable but I knew within 15 seconds of scanning with the current ADS that I had something potentially special. Then I flew to it and my mind was blown. You can literally fly from the rings into the atmosphere of that planet (if atmospheric flight was possible). And yes the new system WOULD tell me distance and proximity and all that as well but I'd have to have had to scan the approximately 40 other bodies that came before it to know that. Individually.
No dss was needed. no probes. no messing with filters or anything. I knew before I even flew there it was something special.
FD you are NOT making a mistake making these changes to exploration. But I do think you are making a mistake by not thinking about these large trips. If you truly believe that this system is almost as fast. Then I will right here, beg anyone with a PC to compare a 5kly trip right now vs the new system with every single body shown on the system map.
And no! I do NOT claim to speak for everyone. I don't speak for every explorer. I don't expect everyone to play my way. And yes my style of exploration is valid and does not make not "not a true explorer".
And for the love of god ANYONE who tries to tell me it's about money gets instantly blocked. Money means nothing.
Frontier I beg of you. Please find some way to compare two trips of similar length and how long it takes and take that into consideration. Or if I'm completely wrong, TELL ME. Tell me why I am wrong.
Just don't leave me sitting here worried like this.
And again, THIS IS NOT an attack on you or the new update. I love EVERYTHING except for the possibility of a large increase in time preventing me from going to more and more places due to time constraints. A trip similar to my other ones doesn't seem as fun knowing that I have to individually scan every single object in every single system thousands of times over months.
*edit, READ NEW CONTEXT TO MY THREAD
Anyways I came back to say that after some people calmed me down and one in particular explained something:
That I am not AS worried as before. The person in question who told me this has the exact same exploration style as me and fully understands where I am coming from.
The context I was missing it seems, was that the filter system gives an overview of the entire system and allows you to briefly judge it based on that. It is NOT only a system to filter out things you want (though you can use it for that). Frontier went on about money and the people on the forums keep telling me if I only want earth likes I can do that. Neither was what I cared for.
However the knowledge that their is indeed a way to quickly judge binary/whatever orbits, proximity, and such even if it's in a way that does factually take longer does go a long way to mitigating my issues.
I only wish some people had taken the time to explain that. I still have some reseverations about time though, but I do know that FD is fully aware of exactly what this thread brings up and that also goes a long way to making me feel better.
Again, this does not negate my thread because this is an ongoing discussion here and at frontier developments itself so I know for a fact that it's not something to dismiss out of hand. But now more then ever I am still willing to wait for the beta to truly decide for myself.
Also a BIIIIIIG THANK YOU to everyone who kept it civil as well. anyways back to the old thread.
I love everything except for one thing...I just don't get how this system will be "almost as fast"
I can not believe on my last trip where I visited thousands of systems that this new system would have taken a similar amount of time. Many systems have 50+ bodies and I have to individually select every single one of them?
When FD started talking about travelers I got hype because I thought they understood...and then they go "well using the ADS would give you the same amount of credits as before." and my heart completely stopped.
This isn't about money. I don't care if there's an earth like. I don't care to only scan valuable bodies. The earth like is only valuable to me if it's somewhere cool. Like say in orbit around a gas giant...or inside a planetary nebula.
I AM ONLY looking for systems that are interesting. And the thing about this game is that an interesting system can be anything. Stars, planets, belts, rings, etc. It can be distance, size, color, proximity, mountains, rifts, etc.
This means in order to find these planets you can NOT skip anything. Not a single planet.
FD is effectively taking all the information we had before and forcing us to press a and look around.
Not having to travel to bodies is a plus. mapping planets is a plus. Everything they added is a plus imo EXCEPT for the fact that they missed out why some people like me "travel" as a exploration style.
Because all the information for nearly everything we needed was avaliable from the ADS scanner. Most importantly a basic look at the look of the planets and their distances.
Their is no conceivable way this new system is "just as/almost as fast." when we are talking thousands upon thousands of systems NOBODY has been to before for months on end. I literally have to scan every single planet, in every single system for months on end, individually just to make sure i don't miss anything.
This filter system literally does nothing to decrease my time. I do not have the luxury of skipping any planet. This isn't about money.
I know what I am doing. I know how to find interesting places. And I never needed to fly to a planet to figure that out, I had all the info i needed from the current ads system.
This is leaving me incredibly stressed out. Because when I explore I sometimes detour for 15kly just to visit a single system and then double back. I move fast, I know where I want to go. I sometimes bookmark over 100+ systems in a journey (always deleting and adding new bookmarks for lack of space) and I visit every single one of them. My last major trip lasted for months and I visited over 100 planetary nebula near the core of the galaxy. By zig zagging up and down and all over I made a trip last for months visiting over 5,000 systems. And I looked at the system map for every single one of those places.
And with near 100% certainty I can say didn't skip or miss a single system that was interesting that I jumped too. I always have a drive to go somewhere else, there is always one more location that's thousands of ly away.
Everything about the exploration coming is brilliant imo except for the time needed to scan systems. I don't care about money. My system I found that has a ice planet so close to the rings of a gas giant, that moves fast enough in its orbit you can literally watch it orbit around the gas giant...is worth more then any sum anyone could give to me.
But the scanner would just say it's an icy world near a gas giant. I wouldn't know it was valuable but I knew within 15 seconds of scanning with the current ADS that I had something potentially special. Then I flew to it and my mind was blown. You can literally fly from the rings into the atmosphere of that planet (if atmospheric flight was possible). And yes the new system WOULD tell me distance and proximity and all that as well but I'd have to have had to scan the approximately 40 other bodies that came before it to know that. Individually.
No dss was needed. no probes. no messing with filters or anything. I knew before I even flew there it was something special.
FD you are NOT making a mistake making these changes to exploration. But I do think you are making a mistake by not thinking about these large trips. If you truly believe that this system is almost as fast. Then I will right here, beg anyone with a PC to compare a 5kly trip right now vs the new system with every single body shown on the system map.
And no! I do NOT claim to speak for everyone. I don't speak for every explorer. I don't expect everyone to play my way. And yes my style of exploration is valid and does not make not "not a true explorer".
And for the love of god ANYONE who tries to tell me it's about money gets instantly blocked. Money means nothing.
Frontier I beg of you. Please find some way to compare two trips of similar length and how long it takes and take that into consideration. Or if I'm completely wrong, TELL ME. Tell me why I am wrong.
Just don't leave me sitting here worried like this.
And again, THIS IS NOT an attack on you or the new update. I love EVERYTHING except for the possibility of a large increase in time preventing me from going to more and more places due to time constraints. A trip similar to my other ones doesn't seem as fun knowing that I have to individually scan every single object in every single system thousands of times over months.
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