Frontier you talked about the "traveler" style of exploration and misunderstood one key thing

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

How long would it take to select all three planets? I get the impression from the very end of the demonstration when Adam went through a few planets quickly that it can be done within seconds.

If the new system is so quick and simple as the old one, then why remove quick honk to the the nice looking system map and replace it with a "wave from" bar?
In both methods a quick glance at a visual representation of something gives the experienced player an overall idea of what to find. One looks nice, the other is just lines on black cloudy background.

The main "advantage" of the new system is, that it combines discovery scan with detailed surface scan, making scanning a system more trivial (no travel required).
In the end it will be easier to pick the "valuable" objects than it is in the current system.

The mapping system has at least an advantage and adds something new - the ability to actually find something interesting.

 

[Red Anders]

That's a lot faster than the current fly to planets to scan system.

Literally nobody has said that scanning all the bodies in a system will be slower. Your statement is correct but completely irrelevant to the topic.

The issue is that there is currently no need to detail scan all the bodies in a system to make informed decisions about whether you want to errr... detail scan the bodies in a system.

Completely moot point because it's way too late to change any of this and FDev have either ignored the feedback they got about it, or misunderstood and thought that people were just bothered about credits, or indeed just decided 'hey here's what we're doing so suck it up' but let's at least not (again) distract from the topic the OP raised by throwing in a load of obfuscation.

 

[Genar-Hofoen]

OP, you aren't the 'traveller' type they described, and you have eloquently summed up the main concern I have with the new system which I did try repeatedly to get across to the devs, but they have provided no real solution to the loss of the 'snap decision' which the current system provides.

On the other hand, I'm going to livestream testing the Q4 beta and give the new system a fair chance. But I'm absolutely not 100% sold on the new system yet.

 

[VonnDeckard]

They didn't misunderstand anything! they know all this. Its ignorance as to the player base and slagging on our commitment. I agree there needs to be changes, and god forbid mining needs fixing but mark my words, this is another death nail in the coffin.

 

[Ralph Vargr]

How good you will need to be, to be as fast as the current ADS:

[video=youtube;y7g6dKncO-I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7g6dKncO-I[/video]

 

[Ralph Vargr]

Obligatory:

[video=youtube;jr0JaXfKj68]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr0JaXfKj68[/video]

 

[Cageman]

How good you will need to be, to be as fast as the current ADS:

You didn't watch the stream?

 

[Crusina Luachra]

The times they are a-changin' and some are bound to be left behind. I understand where you are coming from but there is simply no way for the old and new system to coexist, and frankly (so far) I prefer the new one.

Engineer upgrade where you trade being able to scan everything at a distance for detailed info, for a ads that acts mostly like the one we have now.

 

[Genar-Hofoen]

You didn't watch the stream?

I did, and Ralph's video example sums the removal of being able to make a snap decision succinctly

 

[M00ka]

So OP, because you play an aspect of the game in a very unique way, everyone else has to abide by your way - yeah that's fair and reasonable …..

 

[thistle]

They didn't misunderstand anything! they know all this. Its ignorance as to the player base and slagging on our commitment. I agree there needs to be changes, and god forbid mining needs fixing but mark my words, this is another death nail in the coffin.

Dooooooooommmmmed!

 

[Ralph Vargr]

To show that every silver lining has a cloud attached to it, this new system will make bot writers *much* more unhappy than it will make us....

 

[Crusina Luachra]

So OP, because you play an aspect of the game in a very unique way, everyone else has to abide by your way - yeah that's fair and reasonable …..

You're lucky the forum rules here are strict because i have a lot of words I want to use for someone as ignorant as you are but can not.

"And no! I do NOT claim to speak for everyone. I don't speak for every explorer. I don't expect everyone to play my way. And yes my style of exploration is valid and does not make not "not a true explorer".

bear witness to my UNEDITED first post where I stated that.

You're an extreme case. It might be better for you, it might not. But it's better for the vast majority. I'm going to have fun working my way around the new system

While I don't know positively that this is worse for me, how do you know it's better for the vast majority?

Maybe the vast majority will find it to be a boring grind. How do you think people will feel about this system after they have, for thousands of systems had to utilize a slower system?

Some things gonna change. And it is good question will you change with them. But that's for you to decide. Nothing is misunderstood. FD just felt that this is path forward.

If nothing was misunderstood then why did FD only mention money?

Big fuss about nothing.

Honk - locate the ELW by its signal - visibly see if it's in proximity to other objects.

/thread

Blocked.

OP, you are not the traveller type they described. There are very much a lot of people just honking on their way to a specific place without much care for what they find in between, and that is what they addressed in the stream.

And if you had bothered reading my post. I addressed that, said that myself that I'm a different kind of "traveler".

And how do I know they understand if all the mentioned when talking about "traveler" styles was money?

You're not the 'traveller' they talked about. You're right, it isn't about the credits.

I for one, LOVE this new exploration system. It's really really awesome and I'm looking forward to playing with it.

I get why some people won't like it, but honestly, like someone said earlier in this thread, those are extreme cases, to me for the explorer this system is obviously MUCH faster for doing a quick search and scan of the system without flying everywhere unless I want to map.

There is no possible way this system is faster then the current one IF we are talking about the same thing.

If you are talking about getting a detailed scan on every single body in the system, this new one is faster. If you are talking about getting a basic overview, there is no possible way it is faster then the current system and would factually slow people down.

How long would it take to select all three planets? I get the impression from the very end of the demonstration when Adam went through a few planets quickly that it can be done within seconds.

Now do it with 70+ objects for one system.

Oh and do it over 5,000 times with 1-150 objects per system.

VS just using the ads scanner.

 

[Ralph Vargr]

So OP, because you play an aspect of the game in a very unique way, everyone else has to abide by your way - yeah that's fair and reasonable …..

Please re-read the OP:

FD you are NOT making a mistake making these changes to exploration. But I do think you are making a mistake by not thinking about these large trips. If you truly believe that this system is almost as fast. Then I will right here, beg anyone with a PC to compare a 5kly trip right now vs the new system with every single body shown on the system map.



And no! I do NOT claim to speak for everyone. I don't speak for every explorer. I don't expect everyone to play my way. And yes my style of exploration is valid and does not make not "not a true explorer".

 

[ifthisworks]

Here's the thing. There are billions of systems, you can't see them all, ever. If it takes you months to do something that you enjoy, why would you mind if it takes a bit longer, becomes more involving?

So now, you will see less, because of the extra time. You *will* get used to it. Maybe you will see more, because maybe there is more to see. Sometimes taking extra time to do something allows you to see more. Maybe the orrery will help to see things you'd have to look at numbers to try and visualise (like distance between planets and how close planets are in their orbit to other planets).

You'll learn to find the same if not more information in the new system, and maybe it'll take longer, but it doesn't matter. It's not a race. You will continue to enjoy your journeys. Don't worry.

 

[Genar-Hofoen]

You're lucky the forum rules here are strict because i have a lot of words I want to use for someone as ignorant and delusional as you are but can not.

"And no! I do NOT claim to speak for everyone. I don't speak for every explorer. I don't expect everyone to play my way. And yes my style of exploration is valid and does not make not "not a true explorer".

bear witness to my UNEDITED first post where I stated that.




While I don't know positively that this is worse for me, how do you know it's better for the vast majority?

Maybe the vast majority will find it to be a boring grind.



If nothing was misunderstood then why did FD only mention money?



Blocked.



And if you had bothered reading my post. I addressed that, said that myself that I'm a different kind of "traveler".

And how do I know they understand if all the mentioned when talking about "traveler" styles was money?



There is no possible way this system is faster then the current one IF we are talking about the same thing.

If you are talking about getting a detailed scan on every single body in the system, this new one is faster. If you are talking about getting a basic overview, there is no possible way it is faster then the current system and would factually slow people down.



Now do it with 70+ objects for one system.

Oh and do it over 5,000 times with 1-150 objects per system.

VS just using the ads scanner.

Where were you when I immediately pointed this problem out ages ago?

You understand the nature of the problem so much we could be twins

 

[Ralph Vargr]

You didn't watch the stream?

Some of us *work*. Some of us don't live in the UK. I caught the highlights.

Don't cross the streams!

 

[Ralph Vargr]

Here's the thing. There are billions of systems, you can't see them all, ever. If it takes you months to do something that you enjoy, why would you mind if it takes a bit longer, becomes more involving?

So now, you will see less, because of the extra time. You *will* get used to it. Maybe you will see more, because maybe there is more to see. Sometimes taking extra time to do something allows you to see more. Maybe the orrery will help to see things you'd have to look at numbers to try and visualise (like distance between planets and how close planets are in their orbit to other planets).

You'll learn to find the same if not more information in the new system, and maybe it'll take longer, but it doesn't matter. It's not a race. You will continue to enjoy your journeys. Don't worry.

I'm not worried at all. I'll go back to ham radio for chasing down wacky signals...

Frontier is re-inventing ASW, or the old ham radio "Fox Hunt".

 

[Crusina Luachra]

Here's the thing. There are billions of systems, you can't see them all, ever. If it takes you months to do something that you enjoy, why would you mind if it takes a bit longer, becomes more involving?

So now, you will see less, because of the extra time. You *will* get used to it. Maybe you will see more, because maybe there is more to see. Sometimes taking extra time to do something allows you to see more. Maybe the orrery will help to see things you'd have to look at numbers to try and visualise (like distance between planets and how close planets are in their orbit to other planets).

You'll learn to find the same if not more information in the new system, and maybe it'll take longer, but it doesn't matter. It's not a race. You will continue to enjoy your journeys. Don't worry.

1. Because I have a life and other games to play. Not to mention I always have specific places I want to visit. Having to scan each planet individually makes it take longer. Means I can't visit as much. And makes it grindier.

2. I absolutely agree. I will get used to it. I will still find amazing places. But that doesn't mean I shouldn't voice my concern. (Not that I am implying you are trying to shout me down, but instead i'm pointing out that nonetheless even though I know I will accept any changes in the end that doesn't mean I have to be quiet about it)

3. The orrey system still requires that you scan each planet individually to showcase where they are. So it's not a time saver.

4. If it was a race, I wouldn't spend months exploring. It's not a race to me. It's only a question of how much time I can dedicate to it and how much I can get done with that time.

5. I literally only have one nitpick about all these changes. I'm not as worried as you might think despite my overly dramatic post.]

6. Thank you for actually reading my post. Hope to see you around =]

 

[Crusina Luachra]

Where were you when I immediately pointed this problem out ages ago?

You understand the nature of the problem so much we could be twins

I was here:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...t-one-part-(the-ads-scanner)-makes-me-worried

I was there also panicking the same way I am now.