Yeah, though I am glad they finally updated the Seo storyline. (By this point I was just assuming she died since we hadn't gotten an update on the most Thargoid whisperer.) I am concerned with the turn this story took. 1) The titans died and she stops hearing things... Okay... But she was hearing things before the Titans had even arrived.... Soooooo I guess that confirms all Titans are dead? 2) Holy smokes the Titans did go to Sol JUST for Earth?!?!? Thargoids are like the dumbest creatures ever. (Unless they are leaving a remnant lighthouse signal for the big bad guy that is supposedly chasing them. 3) Also.... They definitely can't hack into our network?!?! Interesting that means the alien signal in the Pleiades human network, is not a Thargoid alien signal.
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They might just not have thought of that, or not have had it occur to them. Why, well, it ranges from “They think differently about communication” to “They’re stupid”. I favor the former, currently.
Not definite confirmation. Seo is still just a human, and thus prone to flaws like everybody else. With how many captives were taken (probably including Aegis combat forces), the idea that not one of those had any idea about Sol is very unlikely. Evidently they were able to find a far less (culturally) significant, or at least much less old, location in Shinrarta, without poking Seo’s mind.
Perhaps they merely did want confirmation or just thought it might give them a better clue about insert mysterious XYZ that Frontier are clearly not keen on revealing yet possibly located in or near Sol. Either way, it’s easy to put the blame on yourself as the only person connected to the hivemind, and thus exposed to the risk of having your mind poked.
Thargoids almost certainly will have found out about Nemesis through Seo. Whatever implications that might have… I’d like to think some [Thargoids] out there would have an interest in being helpful to find it, as long as they can get over their dead Titans.
The ones we’ve seen sure don’t appear to retain any particular functionality besides whatever that weird noise they’re giving off is. If it ever stops once they return, it might’ve been a “Stay out of this area of humans, it is where most of them are”message, but not a given without being told by them what the intent is.
Though, to avoid straying into that subject which was not my intent, if the Titans effectively acted as relays to whatever/wherever the central hivemind is, then it makes some sense nothing would be present to “hear” in the Bubble after they got reduced to scorched rubble, and all the accompanying Thargoid forces left.
If it was more a question of proximity but that doesn’t quite explain the initial ‘Thargoid roar’ as it was coined, given the closest transmission would’ve originated from the Taranis Titan at least a thousand (probably more) light years from human space.
… extra thought, if we assume Titans were indeed purpose-made for the incursion into human space (though I have some doubts about that because of their respective origin points), then the Thargoids really got those things put together quickly, unless it’s what they had planned all along. Around about a month for something that size is nothing to scoff at.
However still not inclined to believe they were made purely to bother humans because their armament (eg turrets on the Titan hull) really strikes me as something less to defeat dedicated fighting ships and more to discourage overzealous explorers getting a little too close. Before we found ways around them the caustic field and repulsion wave were significantly bigger obstacles… then again, could be why the turrets seemed weak, while at the same time not really being an excuse.
Anyway, I’m rambling on and on the verge of falling asleep, so, enjoy a probably somewhat unstructured text that I hopefully left a little readable.
It's crazy... She could hear the Stargoids way way far out.... Before we even got the rogue signals. But now she can't even hear them... Guess they must be dead...or all Titans for multiple thousands of light-years are all gone.
It's funny... Because if the Titans can't hack our network how exactly did they know when and where the rescue ships where going to drop in when they ambushed them? That was knowledge Seo had AFTER the Titans had unplugged from Seo's brain.
But I for once am happy to confirm there is a third alien race floating around and alive.
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It's funny... Because if the Titans can't hack our network how exactly did they know when and where the rescue ships where going to drop in when they ambushed them? That was knowledge Seo had AFTER the Titans had unplugged from Seo's brain.
But I for once am happy to confirm there is a third alien race floating around and alive.
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They’d been able to track our ships through hyperspace and pull them out of it for almost a decade already. Longer by the Dynasty project evidence. Why is it suddenly an issue for Cocijo’s incursion into Sol, to figure out where those big obvious megaships are going?
I’m more surprised it took them that long to look at the megaships in the first place, and I’m not even sure if their destruction was as targeted as “They just happened to be where their forces struck and were opportunity targets” (the four systems immediately taken over on arrival all held said rescue ship wrecks)… and frankly, it shouldn’t surprise anybody that the ones in Sol got annihilated, tracked or not. But, the one in Luyten’s Star didn’t get shredded even though it was within the range of systems invaded (and the system itself was not attacked).
And I don’t think I can follow the tinfoil that that communication hub points to a “third alien race” because it gives you a location to follow and as I remember that leads directly to one of the old “mini-Titan” motherships of the first war ravaged by mycoid. The implication seems fairly strong that it originates from that thing, down to the fact Black Flight went out and just silenced everything about it.
I'm still clinging to the idea I had about how perhaps only one in several billion had the right sort of mind for them to read without destroying their brain or something, and Seo is one of those one in several billion which is the reason why she could survive the chip in the first place and then use it to tune into Radio Thargoid.
Same really, something about requiring a specific set of mental and/or physical conditions which only a small subset of the population have. However even if the Thargoids did only figure out about Earth thtough Seo (and it still caused her to go through a seizure on initial connection), we don’t know their side so I wouldn’t be that quick to assume it was just them giving humans a whack on the head*. … to little effect. If anything it made the wrong-placed self-esteem worse.
*By what a human says, even if said human is the only current one known with a hivemind link. Suppose there might’ve been two if the other subject to successfully control the Scout didn’t crash and possibly die from the (likely) resulting trauma.
Also re your earlier point about Guardian tech adaptability, I read that somewhat wrong. If we did have to ‘fight’ against it [beyond our current level of picking apart old ruins] or figure out how to turn it off, and it began to adapt to humans that would, indeed, probably not be a fun time.
Yeah, all the captives were restored to full physical health. You can be cynical and say that if they were going to be used as sleeper agents or something that they would want them physically fit, but you can also read into it that they never actually wanted to hurt us. They could have done any amount of nasty things to their captives but they didn't, as far as we know.
I just had a horrible thought.
We all know FDev loves a hidden value. I wonder if there is both a "System Population" value and a hidden "System Population that used to be in Cocoons" number. Everytime we deliver a rescuee to a system, the hidden value increases. When we found a colony, we create a proportion of Normal humans and Cocooned humans in line with the source system. Everytime a colony increases in population it increases both values.
On the day they rename the "System Population that used to be in Cocoons" property to "Thargoid Agents" then they suddenly have a really nice distribution across the bubble and its expansion.
We could be in for very "interesting times".
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I know it's what a lot of people want but I really think that ship has sailed and the idea of sleeper agents or Goid controlled zombies has passed. The best time for that was when they were still unidentified. All captives recovered from the Titans were identified and recorded and even the ones released back into society by the Alliance will be under surveillance for the rest of their lives. It would be naïve to think they won't be.
The secret to a successful revolution is that nobody knows who you are until you strike. Waiting for your revolutionaries to be logged and tracked first defeats the object somewhat.
For what it’s worth, a bigger concern could be captives who were not on the Titans anymore by the time we began rescuing them, but it’s just as and probably more likely they remain in Thargoid captivity and possibly (probably?) alive to this date.
… since hints were dropped just before Cocijo’s move to Sol I remain mostly convinced that the attacks had little to do with humans, at the core, just we happen to be peripherally related either due to our actions, or just our location. Right from the beginning, there would’ve been far more efficient ways to commit to a task as resource and time-intensive as eradicating even just the local human presence than what the Titans actually did, and that’s primarily why I disagree on that point with people who continue to think they came for extermination.
Sure, maybe some part of it was reminding humans they can’t just do as they please without consequence, but that’s easily achievable on the side when an armed force is already on its way with a different goal. They didn’t even permanently destroy any starports (putting aside probable technical reasons behind that as well).
Basically, to say… if they meant to cause harm rather than it being merely incidental to their cause because we haven’t exactly shown ourselves to be reasonable conversation partners (or to talk at all), we’d have known it.
… since hints were dropped just before Cocijo’s move to Sol I remain mostly convinced that the attacks had little to do with humans, at the core, just we happen to be peripherally related either due to our actions, or just our location. Right from the beginning, there would’ve been far more efficient ways to commit to a task as resource and time-intensive as eradicating even just the local human presence than what the Titans actually did, and that’s primarily why I disagree on that point with people who continue to think they came for extermination.
Sure, maybe some part of it was reminding humans they can’t just do as they please without consequence, but that’s easily achievable on the side when an armed force is already on its way with a different goal. They didn’t even permanently destroy any starports (putting aside probable technical reasons behind that as well).
Basically, to say… if they meant to cause harm rather than it being merely incidental to their cause because we haven’t exactly shown ourselves to be reasonable conversation partners (or to talk at all), we’d have known it.
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Isn't there evidence out there that it was a heist for some artifact or another?
Not that I’m aware of, only speculation the Mars Relic the Feds stashed away and never shared information on might have been a possible reason.
It would certainly not surprise me if it turned out to be a Guardian data chip of some sort, and that at some point in the past they’d been to Sol but left no particular traces, to let Earth’s biosphere develop untouched.
I could have sworn someone had video somewhere of something ejecting from the titan and running away right before it blew up.
All Titans had Thargoid ships leaving them at large rates once they were defeated, it probably was that. The only thing Cocijo did that was different was a strange sound that nobody was able to figure out (and probably just served as a “This ain’t over” clue more than anything) when it went up.