my brain is buggy enough, don't need no extra hardware that can failYou'll probably need access to the Thargoid hive mind to fly it anyway. Which means Thargoid implants will be necessary
GalNet - 3 June 3311 - Aegis Confirms Seo Jin-Ae ‘Hiatus’ From Advisory Role
- Thread starter Kira Goto
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I notice the GSC bridge to the Guardian systems has just been completed...
‘Special advisor’ Seo Jin-ae has taken a hiatus from her duties, according to a joint statement released by Aegis.
Seo has worked with the Aegis initiative since November 3308, providing insight into Thargoid communications thanks to a prototype cortical implant. This implant, inserted while Seo was a captive test subject for the clandestine Project Seraph, allows her to ‘hear’ the Thargoid hive mind.
The Aegis statement reads as follows:
“Seo Jin-ae has served Aegis faithfully, providing vital intelligence on Thargoid tactics at considerable physical and mental cost. Following several months of recuperation since a medical emergency last October, Seo has chosen to leave the Aegis facility in Duamta. We wish her all the best and look forward to her safe return.”
Attached was a message from Seo:
“After Titan Cocijo exploded in Sol, I had my best night’s sleep in years. No sounds in my head to keep me awake. No images behind my eyes. The Thargoids have left us. Hopefully forever.”
“I did my best to translate Thargoid thoughts during the war, and people told me this data was useful. But I blame myself for the attack on Sol – the importance of Earth was pulled from my memories, against my will. Alba Tesreau helped me recognise that the implant in my brain was placed there by Salvation, also against my will.”
“During Project Seraph, 197 people died at Oaken Point in HIP 26176. I am the only survivor of those experiments that Salvation oversaw. Many will say I’m crazy, but I believe Salvation exists beyond his physical death in HIP 22460. I owe it to those 197 souls – and to every victim of his Proteus Wave failure - to find Salvation and shut him down forever.”
Aegis did not immediately comment when asked if it agrees with Seo’s claims.
There's a saying about leadership which I'll butcher and paraphrase here... which is basically "Don't fear when people are vocal and complaining about things... fear when they are silent... it means something is wrong."
The same is relevant here.
Going back to my theory that the Thargoids thought were actually helping us... they're silent because they've now abandoned us... and now we'll meet the real threat.
I don't see how slowly enroaching into Guardian territory could be a problem. I bet my summerhouse will be just fine even if there was some dormant alien structures or brain tree root networks about.
Humans building colonies around the (partially?) derelict Guardian structures is probably not much of a problem. The insane maniac inside of that network and the AI that is potentially still out there, on the other hand…
Also had the thought that we might or might not see some Far God cult involvement, providing Frontier remember them. They were certainly inclined enough to help Seo to scrap a totally-not-Azimuth merc when Nemesis got revealed.
On a related but somewhat different note, what if Seo not ‘hearing’ the Thargoids is less down to proximity of any of them and more because they’ve figured out how to block the link if they don’t want her ‘listening in’, after Cocijo went down? Food for thought.
Also reading the article again after it was brought to my mind that it seems doubtful the Thargoids really needed Seo specifically to learn of Earth (not with all the captives they took), so I wonder how ‘justified’ (albeit very understandable) her feelings toward that matter of Cocijo swooping into Sol for some (not so casual) sightseeing are.
Other words of note : Eternal Vigilance (you’ll have to go digging to find that one)
Also reading the article again after it was brought to my mind that it seems doubtful the Thargoids really needed Seo specifically to learn of Earth (not with all the captives they took), so I wonder how ‘justified’ (albeit very understandable) her feelings toward that matter of Cocijo swooping into Sol for some (not so casual) sightseeing are.
Other words of note : Eternal Vigilance (you’ll have to go digging to find that one)
Got the reference but not where you're going with it. Care to expand?
Just thinking there’s a reasonable chance it is where Salvation stashed his Guardian-brain-doohickey. That also being the reason why we never saw this fabled state-of-the-art AX megaship of Azimuth’s after they announced its completion.
Though it is also entirely possible it not appearing in-game was a Frontier oops and it slipped into obscurity afterward. I myself had completely forgotten it existed for at least a year after only a single mention of it was ever made, not long into the war against the Titans.
Let's hope the Guardians didn't build a seek-and-destroy program into any of their AI. Our legacy and SCO drives are full of Thargoid tech and god knows what else
And I was thinkin, she was forgotten already (or even dead), given lack any word from her, especially when last titan fell.
Now then, just how many months already passed since that happen?
Thats quite what I call being "late to celebrate" something.
I would rather not expecting THAT much, long hiatus from Seo basically confirmed, and given pace of fdevs about lore like that, its gonna take years, before we gonna see another Galnet about Seo and progress of her "mission".
Post-salvation azimuth afully quiet too, for many months as well. I kinda expected them to upgrade thier pre-engineered guardian weps we all love, with that field that stops from thargoid decay, when we had titans alive still. I bet they went into hiatus, just like Seo did
We handled bugs just fine (and quite fast too), we can handle bots too..
Now then, just how many months already passed since that happen?
Thats quite what I call being "late to celebrate" something.
I would rather not expecting THAT much, long hiatus from Seo basically confirmed, and given pace of fdevs about lore like that, its gonna take years, before we gonna see another Galnet about Seo and progress of her "mission".
Post-salvation azimuth afully quiet too, for many months as well. I kinda expected them to upgrade thier pre-engineered guardian weps we all love, with that field that stops from thargoid decay, when we had titans alive still. I bet they went into hiatus, just like Seo did
Dont worry, guardians big toys are too busy being in deep sleep. Also, even if they appear, in any other form than plain old ruins and thier litte funny drones, I dont think its a threat at all, neither I would expect them to pull stunt like invading the bubble, like bugs did.Let's hope the Guardians didn't build a seek-and-destroy program into any of their AI. Our legacy and SCO drives are full of Thargoid tech and god knows what else
We handled bugs just fine (and quite fast too), we can handle bots too..
Guardian content - yes, please! Another invasion in the same style? That would be more than lazy by the writers. There are a lot more possibilities to make a good story around them. E.g. guardian tech going wild (many of us have the FSD boosters, shields, etc.)
My first answer would be, they'd either be impartial or in some way convinced by that madman to come to humanity's aid against the Thargoids (because we know he wouldn't stop until they're exterminated)... at first. I doubt it would look the same once they see the nature of humans and infighting after the Guardians, or at least not all of them might be particularly receptive to that. Especially if a superpower war happens to kick off around then... it also fits with anything Salvation attempts to "help" with backfiring horribly. Having said that, I suppose they might first rather try to send some less abrupt pointers than firing weapons at us. And some might remain friendly or neutral anyway.
My second answer (to the second sentence)... hubris has a way of coming back to bite you. I need only to point at that one particular system a couple hundred light years off the (former) southern - roughly - inhabited edge of the Bubble. I'm also not exactly convinced the Thargoids were too dedicated about their invasion force making significant inroads into the Bubble, considering the only Titan to move deeper inward was Cocijo, and they're likely a very different enemy to the Guardian Constructs as fully sentient/sapient AI that if they didn't just go into hibernation for some reason, would have potentially advanced their technology well beyond even what we can find at the ruins left behind. On top of likely behaving rather differently.
I sure would not be convinced we could stand up to them if they decide to pull the stops. Unless their presence also happened to draw in the destructive chaos flowers that really hate Guardian technology (and you've got to wonder exactly how much more violent that war was for them to remain immediately hostile to it in most scenarios millions of years later) and they distract each other. But I'm leaving that in the wishful thinking category until/if it actually happens, fun as it would be to have that going while the superpowers refuse to stop nibbling at each other's heels - or trading punches - in the midst of that.
Many possibilities, how to decide which one's most likely or realistic... or you could just keep the expectations low and be positively surprised. Me, I'm a little more in the middle at the moment since seeing the relatively renewed focus on Elite.
When might we see any turnout of Seo's hunt for the Witch? I'm looking at the new feature...
This idea has occurred to me too, though mostly I just use the FSD booster these days, and not much else. If it proves too much of a liability (like the potential of causing random module/ship shutdowns) I might consider ditching it
And if you did decide to mess with one... well, my guess is, you'd rather not find out exactly how potent "pure" Guardian technology is.
Some people think it's just going to be legions of "Salvatron"-controlled drones and whatnot (probably something better than the Sentinels meant to ward off unprepared looters), but if it was just him behind it that'd be somewhat of a missed opportunity.
As I put on old lore videos to listen to at work, podcast-style, I came across one recently about one of the old novels that Elite used to pull some of its lore/names from, mentioned a race that could download their brains into any technology to mess with them. The narrator included listing wristwatches, so brain implant would definitely be a valid place to jump into.
It would also be neat if ships start getting random errors, akin to some of those logs where people go crazy because space starts talking to them.
Actually there is a lore verified reason for that. Guardian technology has been designed to analyse, then adapt and counter anything that attacks it. The recent change in the Grelics show that this is still the case, by helping to produce a weapon the Titans could not resist.
Even a million years later the Thargoids cannot do anything about Guardian technology. It can still adapt and counter them because that's been built in from the start.
If it's not just Thargoid technology but any technology it is able to adapt to, and we start messing with it and it decides to turn that adaptability on us, then we could be in for a world of hurt.
True enough. Though so far I would say Guardian tech has been oddly receptive to humans, at least in terms of reacting to our presence and, aside from the Sentinels which seem to be unintelligent defenders operating on a basic routine, not being aggressive. So I'd like to think it will stay that way.
... but if it does change because of that egomaniac, maybe it's not such a terrible idea we have all these new colonies sprouting up. At least the ones outside the immediate Bubble (wherever you'd define it now).
Reverse-engineered, so there might not be as many similarities. Regular FSD I could believe if it was built using human parts alone, after the Thargoid mechanism was understood sufficiently, SCO I'm not quite sure about since we are always asked to provide a Titan drive component for one of the pre-engineered versions. But the Guardian tech doesn't appear to respond any differently to them despite people's initial concerns about it, so it's probably fine. For now?...
In any case, my main concern lies with what that nutjob is doing with basically nothing restraining him inside the Guardian network, providing he has access to it. I'm still thinking the weird obelisk glitching that has been widely documented since the Proteus Wave fired has something to do with it, but no one's ever found anything so I put it into the "Keep an eye on but probably not meant to be solved or do anything with it yet" mystery category. Knowing him he'll want to go on another Thargoid crusade on which surely nothing can go wrong.
Agreed. It would also be nice to think the Guardian tech would stop itself being abused by the likes of our favourite weapons grade nutter with a messiah complex and take its own steps to stop him. That said, it could simply consider us not enough of a threat to react to - yet.
Sentinels as you say appear to be little more than basic drones, which makes it all the more embarrassing that one of Azimuth's scientists was killed by one. Like being killed by a Roomba.
Or double the problem. Could go either way for me.
great ideas above - all much better than yet-another-invasion scenario! Also the countermeasures through us players could be quite different from the usual "shoot the next big ship". Ok, some shooting is fun and necessary to please the crowd but maybe we humans have to search for certain minerals or technology across the Milky Way to build a defense wall or harden our technology. We could have missions to fly through mazes inside really large (Titan-size) Guardian artifacts to locate and interrupt AI nodes. I am imagining something like V'ger from Star Trek. Small and nimble ships like the Cobra MkV would be better than our heavy T10 or Federation warships.
Go exploring by yourself for too long and that starts anyway....
Also staring into Sgr A* for too long sends you crazy too... as you listen to it whisper dark secrets of the cosmos the mind of man was not ment to hear ...........
Bill
<<spent 4 days there......
