Game or simulation?

[Pennyblack]

I think it's a game, not a simulator.

A simulator to me, is an artificial environment designed to provide a realistic imitation of the real thing. Or a system of emulation which replicates the controls and operation of any given vehicle, which includes aircraft and spacecraft under the effects of atmospheric and Newtonian dynamics ect. So far, Elite is just a game, all be it an elaborate one. The future of Elite and how it is developed, may alter my interpretation of that. But as it stands I think it's a game more than a simulator.

Just my two cents worth.

 

[Tempered]

Who cares? What difference does it make what you call it? If you want to go by the dictionary definition , then it is both a game and a simulation.

I can sit in my computer chair, make motor boat noises with my lips and pretend that I'm steering a boat. Guess what. That is a simulation of steering a boat. It can also be a game that I play to amuse myself.

Why do people put so much effort into attaching one or the other label on it?

 

[Ghost1]

its a game. Calling for a Realism in a game that takes place in the year 3300AD is pretty silly an drives me insane. The game should designed on sci-fi fundamentals. Its really hard to predict where we'd be technologically speaking

 

[Ven Jarvik]

It is both a game and a simulation.. Just like GTA,FSX,GTR2 and hundreds of other games I spent many years working on full blown Level-D and fixed based simulators for airlines.

The only reason I would never call them a game is due to the huge amount of cost and certification involved in creating and operating them. Now if a had 20mil in the bank, and the space to stick one in my back yard, I would quite happily tell my friends I had the best game ever for them to check out.


Have never understood why some feel that the words simulation & game have to be mutually exclusive

Sorry for being lazy, I hate quoting wiki, however.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_game

Funny you should mention GTA mate.I was reading some interviews with Big Dave a while ago and he mentioned a couple of times that the game that ED is closest to is GTA...well he's the boss.:smilie:

Nice youtube channel btw

 

[Ven Jarvik]

its a game. Calling for a Realism in a game that takes place in the year 3300AD is pretty silly an drives me insane. The game should designed on sci-fi fundamentals. Its really hard to predict where we'd be technologically speaking

Well I am with you on that,I only think along the lines of STTOS,DS9,Blakes 7,Star Wars,Babylon 5,etc when I'm playing it.But I saw a video today linked from here,a good one,with a guy roleplaying,and it would still seem people are listening to Bob Dylan in 3300AD...I never listened to him in the 70's!

 

[MikeGreg]

Hi

Dont get me wrong here
yes its a game, and i do like it, it is enjoyable at the moment
and i hope with the problems sorted for release it will be good
but i will continue with it for sure never mind witch way it goes
same as i did with the original Elite and the following Frontier games
the multiplayer issues at the moment will get sorted for sure
but i am not going to give up if its not

MikeGreg

 

[Fromhell]

Funny you should mention GTA mate.I was reading some interviews with Big Dave a while ago and he mentioned a couple of times that the game that ED is closest to is GTA...well he's the boss.:smilie:

Nice youtube channel btw

I don´t get these GTA comparisons, what´s special about GTA anyway?

By that theory every game with a "world" you can move around is "GTA".

So World of Warcraft is GTA? Archeage is obviously GTA too. And any other MMO. And probably Super Mario World too.

Why not compare actual game features?

Can I fly by your Sidewinder in my Cobra and throw you into space in 3 seconds and steal your ship? NO.

Can I play Tennis or go parachuting in ED? NO.

Is there a voiceovered story that guides me through missions? NO.


Talking about GTA, is there any trading and economy simulation? NO.

The list of obvious differences could be continued for 10-15 more points showing that mentioning GTA is laughable at best.

ED is more Eutrotruck simulator plus WOW with very simple questing and reputation grinding. But GTA? No. Just.. no.

And stop calling it sandbox, it doesn´t have sandbox features.

 

[Darkfyre99]

For me, the dividing line between games and sims whether or not there is a victory condition. If it is possible to win it, then it's definitely a game. If it keeps on going until you get bored, get distracted, or you accomplish some personal goal, then it is probably a sim. It may not be a hardcore sim, but it is a likely to be a sim none the less.

For me, Elite Dangerous is a sim, and a fairly hardcore one at that. While there are realism vs gameplay concessions, it nevertheless a fairly realistic futuristic space sim. It is possible to shut down individual systems from the cockpit, it plays best IMO with a HOTAS or simpit controls, and I can't wait for the commercial version of the Oculus Rift.

 

[Ven Jarvik]

I don�t get these GTA comparisons, what�s special about GTA anyway?

By that theory every game with a "world" you can move around is "GTA".

So World of Warcraft is GTA? Archeage is obviously GTA too. And any other MMO. And probably Super Mario World too.

Why not compare actual game features?

Can I fly by your Sidewinder in my Cobra and throw you into space in 3 seconds and steal your ship? NO.

Can I play Tennis or go parachuting in ED? NO.

Is there a voiceovered story that guides me through missions? NO.


Talking about GTA, is there any trading and economy simulation? NO.

The list of obvious differences could be continued for 10-15 more points showing that mentioning GTA is laughable at best.

ED is more Eutrotruck simulator plus WOW with very simple questing and reputation grinding. But GTA? No. Just.. no.

And stop calling it sandbox, it doesn�t have sandbox features.

I must admit I don't see it myself.I haven't ever played GTA,but my Son has,so obviously I've seen it....and,well,I don't get the comparison at all.Yes both have a large area to play,and both allow you to do what you like (I think) but it looked a lot more hands on in that game...Maybe he's thinking about the future add-on's or something like that perhaps.

But it wasn't in just one interview,it was at least two and probably three,so he isn't being misquoted by the looks of things.

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For me, the dividing line between games and sims whether or not there is a victory condition. If it is possible to win it, then it's definitely a game. If it keeps on going until you get bored, get distracted, or you accomplish some personal goal, then it is probably a sim.

Actually quite a reasonable point.Although as a former EVE player I never felt there were any victory conditions in that (if there were,they were well hidden from my view) But EVE I suppose you could argue it isn't a space sim,it's more a commerce sim,or capitalism sim set in the future.