Gaming PC

... I lnow its cheaper to piecemeal one together but im not knowledgeable enough to do it. ...
Actually not so in todays climate. Ludicrous prices on hardware are slowly coming down, and vendors can sell cheaper by selling a complete unit. Sadly the used market hasn't caught on yet and people are still trying to double their money on selling last gen graphics cards and PCs.

So to your point. I would recommend a quick google search for a trusty vendor. A nice build with an RTX 3060 should be within your means. 4k might be a stretch though.

A quick search brought up this page, which might be useful:


Good luck! :)
 
I've been in IT for almost 30 years and I've built more PCs than I can remember, including my last three gaming PCs. There are lots of advantages to building your own rig, but my experience has been it doesn't necessarily save money.

My recommendations would be:
  1. It's generally one or the other, but not both
    While I'm sure there are a lot of people who game on both consoles and PCs, for most it's going to be one or the other. While console gamers are a huge market, consoles will never have the power of high-end gaming PCs where games tend to look, sound and perform better. Consider this might be the point where you switch from console to PC for the majority of your activity
  2. Buy a big name brand
    One problem with building your own rig is the lack of tech support. This is one of the biggest reasons I think you're on the right track. Since you're not super technical, you will want support if you run into a problem. While calling tech support is rarely fun, the big brands (e.g., Dell, HP, etc) have far more resources and generally get things done
  3. Budget for an extended warranty
    This is a big investment and you want it to last. Spending the extra $100-$200 to extend the warranty by a few years is always a good idea
  4. Have appropriate expectations
    While your budget is absolutely reasonable, you're not going to game at 4k on a 60 inch screen. But, you don't really need to. I game at 2k on a 27" screen and the game looks wonderful. Granted, I have really good GPUs (dual RTX 2080 Ti), but playing at 2k on a less powerful GPU is completely realistic
  5. Future-proof your investment
    Buying a computer to play a game today is fine, but you'll want it to play games tomorrow, too. Video games are the primary driving force behind the rapid advancement in video cards and continually push manufacturers to come out with higher specs.
  6. Consider your time
    If you've spent 90 weeks in-game, that's over fifteen thousand hours. Unless you don't sleep, that means this is where you spend the majority of your time. Hell, even with sleep, that's where you spend the majority of your time. If that's the case, spending more isn't a waste of money. It's an investment in your primary activity
  7. Buying the computer is just the beginning
    The big benefit of PC gaming - and one of the biggest problems with it - is once you move off of console, you open up an entire world of options for gameplay that just aren't available to you now. I think one needs a HOTAS to get the best experience from the game and I've spent more than I'll ever admit on those controls. You don't have to have this stuff... but getting accessories and building out a rig is actually fun
I did a quick config on an Alienware desktop and for $1,299 the specs are: i5-11400F, 8GB RAM, 256GB NVMe, GTX 1660 Ti. Not a super beefy machine, but not bad... it will definitely run Horizons well and should be good for Odyssey, too. If it were me, I'd try to squeeze a little more out of my piggy bank and try to hit a $2,000 budget. I'd add the following (in order of priority):
  • Upgrade to 512GB storage: +$30 (total $1329)
  • Upgrade to 16GB RAM: +$100 (total $1429)
  • Upgrade to RTX 3060 Ti: +$350 (total $1779)
  • Upgrade to i7-11700F: +$150 (total $1929)
I think most people would say "Buy that video card first!", but 256GB of storage is not nearly enough and at $30, that's a steal. Ditto for RAM. The single most effective thing you can do to boost overall computer performance is to add RAM, and doubling your memory for $100 is a good deal.

Keep in mind, Alienware is a little on the pricey side, so you can probably find a similar computer for less. But, if you took all of those options you would have a really, really nice gaming rig that will not only play EDO today, but anything else you want to play.... at 4k (maybe 2k for EDO).

Also, this doesn't include extending the warranty.

Good luck with the purchase - I played exclusively on consoles for a long time. Once I invested in a high-quality gaming rig, I never looked back.

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EXCELLENT write up, bud, I'd only disagree on one item, and it is strictly my opinion the OP may or may not find helpful.

Do not buy an Alienware.

I am currently a console only player, and completely resonate with OP - I'm debating getting a PC (again) myself - but know this: the PC I quit was an Alienware. Don't get me wrong, that machine was stupid powerful (I spent $4k building it) and loved it for all of two years. Then something broke, no big deal, call support.

Not good. Really, really, REALLY not good. I cannot overstate how disappointed I was (and continue to be as I hear from friends I led down that road with me) how bad of a purchase this was. The price isn't unfair in terms of hardware they offer (to me), but boy you don't get diddly for customer service. So, from a previous user to a potentially new one, shop something else. The custom cases are amazing to look at, but often create enormous issues...especially once support fails you and you're trying to work it out yourself. This is the only machine I couldn't take to a local shop because, literally, its built in such a way as to be a pain to work on.

It's weird, because I've actually never had issues with Dell. Half the reason I bought the Alienware was because I had great experiences with my prior three Dell PCs (proprietary power supplies that only fit their cases and all). Dunno why there's such a huge gap between the two, but that's my feedback.

HP is ok, usually priced excellent, and I think you get what you pay for. Toshiba laptops are always a great buy if you want to be economic, but you may struggle to find something with the beef you want to really enjoy PC gaming. To reiterate what Darth Wonko said, squeeze your budget up if you can. It really does pay in enjoyment and satisfaction to have a rig capable of today and tomorrow's games.

Lastly, you can't go wrong with a big box store purchase. Really. Just check the specs against "can i run it" and you'll be fine. For the grumpy old man (or woman) who can't be bothered, drop $1,500 at Best Buy or whatever your tech store is on the one with the flashy yellow sticky star, "Great for Gaming!". Pay for the extra warranty and Geek Squad/whatever support...go home, play games, be less grumpy! When it breaks, drop it off and yell at them to fix it. Well, don't yell...grumble, maybe.

And remember that buying a gaming PC is a bit like buying a motorcycle.
It's just a down payment on the accessories.

Keep that in mind as you evaluate your finances.
 
Looking for a gaming pc to buy to play elite. Im old as dirt and know nothing about PCs. Just looking to buy one out of the box to play Elite. I lnow its cheaper to piecemeal one together but im not knowledgeable enough to do it. Nor do i care to. I have almost 90 weeks ingame time on PS...camt wait around for fdev to make up their minds about console. Any suggestions would be highly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
This fits your bill, but temper your expectations. :)

 
I disagree with most of the card advice, the Nvidia RTX 3080 is the best cost/performance card out there, it is the one that will have long term benefit and would be worth stretching the budget for, sure it has been abused by Bitcoiners and the chip shortage but you are buying a PC not a graphics card, a pre-built PC will have ALL the components below retail price, and the big PC builders they get first grabs from the factory. It hasn't been cost effective to build you own PC for about a decade now, it's only worthwhile doing for quality components through-out which requires a hell of a lot of research and tinkering which most people won't want to waste their life with.

So just search for a PC with an RTX 3080 from a known store/site (ie not pre-built stuff on ebay), CPU and memory for gaming have been boring for a long time now so you wont get messed over there as long as you are not buying from ebay or Alibaba/Aliexpress/Aliconworld. Say go for 32GB of memory, would give a decent indication of the quality of the build, but 16GB will suffice (memory is cheap to expand later) and an Intel or AMD processor. For bonus points go for OS and games installed on a NVMe SSD drive (So something like a 1Tb, doubt you would get higher, 512Gb would be fine too if you wanted to be selective about the games you put on it), plus it will need other Hard Drive storage for other games and personal files etc. NVMe drives are faster than standard SATA drives and benefit some games but mostly for the OS.
 
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... a pre-built PC will have ALL the components below retail price, and the big PC builders they get first grabs from the factory. It hasn't been cost effective to build you own PC for about a decade now, it's only worthwhile doing for quality components through-out which requires a hell of a lot of research and tinkering which most people won't want to waste their life with....
This.
 
Because of scalpers & crypto mining

Pandemic associated global supply chain issues and increased foundry demand across all segments are the overriding factors at this point.

Actually not so in todays climate. Ludicrous prices on hardware are slowly coming down

I'm not sure this trend will hold.

There will probably be short-lived price crash, especially in the used market, once Ethereum moves to proof-of-stake and GPU mining essentially evaporates, but I doubt that will last. Demand is still high and foundry supply constraints won't ease up for a couple of years.

I disagree with most of the card advice, the Nvidia RTX 3080 is the best cost/performance card out there

It is hard for me to recommend lower-end GPUs when the price/performance slope is essentially linear. It used to be a given that spending twice as much vs. the upper-mid-range value option would only get you 20% more performance or so, but now, if you spend double what you have to fork over for a midrange card, you get nearly double the performance, purely because of how inflated prices are at the low-end.
 
I disagree with most of the card advice, the Nvidia RTX 3080 is the best cost/performance card out there, it is the one that will have long term benefit and would be worth stretching the budget for, sure it has been abused by Bitcoiners and the chip shortage but you are buying a PC not a graphics card, a pre-built PC will have ALL the components below retail price, and the big PC builders they get first grabs from the factory. It hasn't been cost effective to build you own PC for about a decade now, it's only worthwhile doing for quality components through-out which requires a hell of a lot of research and tinkering which most people won't want to waste their life with.
The last PC I bought was prebuilt, but I used to build my own PCs. It was a great way to get to know the innards, and that made it easier for any repairs

It's a shame what the scalpers have done to our hobby...
Buy a PC. Unwrap the box. Open the PC case and take out the RTX3080. Throw away the rest of the PC along with the packaging <grin>
 
EXCELLENT write up, bud, I'd only disagree on one item, and it is strictly my opinion the OP may or may not find helpful.

Do not buy an Alienware.

I am currently a console only player, and completely resonate with OP - I'm debating getting a PC (again) myself - but know this: the PC I quit was an Alienware. Don't get me wrong, that machine was stupid powerful (I spent $4k building it) and loved it for all of two years. Then something broke, no big deal, call support.

Not good. Really, really, REALLY not good. I cannot overstate how disappointed I was (and continue to be as I hear from friends I led down that road with me) how bad of a purchase this was. The price isn't unfair in terms of hardware they offer (to me), but boy you don't get diddly for customer service. So, from a previous user to a potentially new one, shop something else. The custom cases are amazing to look at, but often create enormous issues...especially once support fails you and you're trying to work it out yourself. This is the only machine I couldn't take to a local shop because, literally, its built in such a way as to be a pain to work on.

It's weird, because I've actually never had issues with Dell. Half the reason I bought the Alienware was because I had great experiences with my prior three Dell PCs (proprietary power supplies that only fit their cases and all). Dunno why there's such a huge gap between the two, but that's my feedback.

HP is ok, usually priced excellent, and I think you get what you pay for. Toshiba laptops are always a great buy if you want to be economic, but you may struggle to find something with the beef you want to really enjoy PC gaming. To reiterate what Darth Wonko said, squeeze your budget up if you can. It really does pay in enjoyment and satisfaction to have a rig capable of today and tomorrow's games.

Lastly, you can't go wrong with a big box store purchase. Really. Just check the specs against "can i run it" and you'll be fine. For the grumpy old man (or woman) who can't be bothered, drop $1,500 at Best Buy or whatever your tech store is on the one with the flashy yellow sticky star, "Great for Gaming!". Pay for the extra warranty and Geek Squad/whatever support...go home, play games, be less grumpy! When it breaks, drop it off and yell at them to fix it. Well, don't yell...grumble, maybe.

And remember that buying a gaming PC is a bit like buying a motorcycle.
It's just a down payment on the accessories.

I think you make some great points, @sandkid. Here are my thoughts:

  • When it comes to any brand recommendations, it's always based on the experience of the person recommending. I think your experiences are well worth considering, even if my experiences were different
    • I've owned three Alienware laptops, and they were all fantastic with excellent support. Having said that, this was BEFORE Dell bought them. I kind of expected a decline in quality all the way around once that happened, which is why I started building my own gaming desktops. That's not a knock on Dell; it's just Alienware was a high-end luxury brand prior to the purchase. Same thing with HP buying Voodoo PC
    • My experience/opinion with Dell vs HP is, literally, the exact opposite of yours. LOL
    • I've owned a couple of Toshiba laptops - never again
  • I think you make an excellent point with the Big Box Store purchase - Best Buy, or the like. I've even seen fantastic deals at Costco and Sam's as well as Office Depot/Office Max.
    • One thing I don't like is all the crap they put on the machine 'out of the box'. I'd ask the Geek Squad folks to reload the machine with a fresh OS before I took it home

Keep that in mind as you evaluate your finances.

Oh, dear Lord, this is true. LOL
 
I do recommend Newegg in general as I buy nearly all of my PC gear from them. Most recently the RTX 2060 rig I put together 13 months ago that I'm currently playing Odyssey on ever since it released.

I've bought quite a few things from Newegg over the years. I've been consistently happy with their service. I purchased two different Gigabyte gaming laptops from them. (Which, by the way, were awesome!)
 
Thanks brother. I've been playing Elite since day of of consoles with little time for any other gaming. I love Elite and I'm frustrated as hell that it's been quiet on the console news with Fdev. A little more communication from them might spare me a few coins in the future. Thanks for the advice...
My pleasure! Feel free to DM me with questions.
 
Both and around $1300 USD
The GPU I want is alone at least $1300 :confused:

Scalper prices and the overall shortage and supply chain issues are wreaking havoc on prices.

I'm wondering if there will be a 4000 series later this year and if that might possibly drop the prices on the 3000 series (lol doubt that!). Because it's just insane to try to build a modern rig with some future-proofing built in. It will cost like a year's worth of car payments for just a computer, it's crazy.

Luckily I don't feel hard pressed to do it. I don't game much anymore so my ancient 11 year old PC is fine for what I play when I do play - save for Odyssey which it can't handle at all. But I'm not spending $3,000 to $4,000 to play Odyssey lol.
 
...I'm not sure this trend will hold.

There will probably be short-lived price crash, especially in the used market, once Ethereum moves to proof-of-stake and GPU mining essentially evaporates, but I doubt that will last. Demand is still high and foundry supply constraints won't ease up for a couple of years...
Looking at my local second hand market, punters are looking to sell for more than what PCs are sold for new, both graphics cards on their own and whole PCs... I suppose some buyers are quirky enough to believe the hype and not even check retail prices, but PCs are actually cheaper retail than second hand in my local second hand market... Very odd. Can't see it lasting long though. :)
 
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Given the current “after market” prices for graphics cards (due to the aforementioned scalpers / crypto miners), some of the pre-build options actually work out pretty competitive.
 
like many have said it all depends on if you can get a gpu for a decent price. Scalper prices generally tend to be close to double retail price, if not more. If you can snipe a gpu for cheap from an official retailer then bob's your uncle.

Id recommend joining price alert discords that will notify you when a retailer comes in stock, that's what I did and I got lucky (I was waiting at least a couple months before I managed to snipe one). I really wouldn't recommend just giving up and buying at scalper prices, especially the 30 series cards. The whole point of why the 30 series cards are so good is because they are really good value for performance.
 
Be glad you don't have my truck payment ( > $8000/year)...
Is it also for work? Payments like that can be justified if the vehicle is also used for work, or you can just afford it.

Now imagine paying $8,000 for a PC! I'm seeing prebuilt systems on Newegg for that. They might be for creators though.
 
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