The only agreement is towards FDev's rules and mechanics of its game.
PvP Gankers in Fleetcomm at Beagle Point
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I'm really warming up to the "Protector of the DWEIII Fleet" idea that Phisto brought up. I told those guys in Fleetcomm they should have not kicked me out of the group, might have been helpful to have kept me around. Oh well, live and learn guys
To be honest
It would take far less effort for the community to git competent by playing the game (and using the in-game resources offered to you to improve your ship) than it would for Fdev to spend time on a PVE mode.
I feel their time would be better spent making more content, or fixing the game as it is.
I wouldn’t be opposed to PG admins having more control over their own rules, however.
It would take far less effort for the community to git competent by playing the game (and using the in-game resources offered to you to improve your ship) than it would for Fdev to spend time on a PVE mode.
I feel their time would be better spent making more content, or fixing the game as it is.
I wouldn’t be opposed to PG admins having more control over their own rules, however.
You asked to join their community.
There is an implied agreement in play at that point.
If you don't like the rules of the community, don't join - you acted in bad faith.
So no, it isn't just FDev's game - you joined the ranks of a community in addition to playing the game and you knew the expectation.
The idea that something have to sign something is nonsense or get a formal agreement is goofy.
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Bob Lighthouse
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You think farting on someone's meal is similar to blowing up spaceships, in a spaceship game in which every single ship comes with weapons?
Or do you make a distinction between fart on meal, and non-fart on meal restaurants?
I'm failing to get the analogy.
I don't know of any restaurants where that would be acceptable, but in Elite blowing up ships is widely acceptable.
I edited that post to be clearer.
He wasn't only in the game.
He'd also joined a group, membership in which had very specific rules.
Don't like the rules, don't join the group.
Pretty simple.
No restaurant has that as a written rule.
No restaurant queries you about that before you enter.
….so according to the reductive reasoning we've seen so far, it wouldn't be wrong to do it.
Or we can agree that there are implied social contracts that cover farting on entrees and joining groups (an implied pledge to support).
Bob Lighthouse
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I think subterfuge is to be expected and it's in character.
You know, one shared universe?
Bob Lighthouse
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Ah no, that would only be true if most restaurants encouraged it.
Where exactly do you eat?
Bob Lighthouse
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Does the health dept. encourage patrons farting on meals in your area, leaving it up to the few fart free restaurants to deal with the farters?
I think farting in someone's food and infiltrating a PG that wasn't fond of PvP to gank players are both a bit of a jerk move. That said, they are both easily rectified. Both the restaurant and PG owners kick the offender out on their butt and move on with their lives. Probably laugh about it later.
Can you believe that guy? Lawl.
The issue comes where people clutch their pearls, dive under a table in case the sky falls, and make peace with their maker over what is nothing more than a nuisance.
Can you believe that guy? Lawl.
The issue comes where people clutch their pearls, dive under a table in case the sky falls, and make peace with their maker over what is nothing more than a nuisance.
If it were one-shared-universe, we'd have an MMO approach to this kind of thing. Instances be [mild expletive]ed and subscription fees for all!
Console is already pay-to-play if you want to use anything but solo FWIW.
However, it isn't on PC, which was the platform this was originally released on. On top of that, it's the platform holder, not the game-as-a-service that's charging that.
Yeah well for many reasons that's never going to happen. I'd wager a lot of money on it. The majority of players don't even recognize that as a bar for competence.
Some PS4 multiplayer games do not require it. It is not exactly clear to me what determined whether a game requires it; developer, manufacturer, both, or something else (e.g. maybe free-to-play games do not require the subscription).
My only point is, the pay-to-play isn't quite as alien a notion for this game IMO as it may be for others. I realize we're a minority, but I wouldn't be surprised if we're the fastest growing group.
Your analogy implies FDEV encourage PVP in PG's whose rules explicity prohibit it. That's clearly not the case, as FDEV are giving out reimbursements like candy. Quite frankly they're just a bit too inept to rectify it with PG owner tools.
The majority of players entered this PG under the assumption that there isn't going to be any non-consentual, and fitted out a ship accordingly. A minority also agreed to not pvp by joining the PG, then fit out a ship with the explicit intention of popping folks. Also knowing full well that the majority of players they were popping were going to be pretty much exclusively rigged in a way that meant they were combat ineffective. So they can't now claim the moral high ground of improving players skill or outfitting knowledge. It's just a straight up jerk move by a bunch of folks needing to get their e-peen on.
Seen some comments likening this activity to Eve Online (everyone's favourite bad-guy around here apparently). It's nothing alike. Eve Online lets you know straight up that you can and probably will get murdered/griefed/touched in a bad place and you should make ammends with that. There's no solo play or private groups. The whole purpose of a PG is to enable players to play online together in an agreed format. That's undisputable, otherwise FDEV would force everyone into open.
This is really, really super naive. We all know Elite isn't EvE, but how many people didn't get exploded because you said that?
Despite my stance on the matter, I fully expected there to be shenanigans.
Really really super? That's quite the superlative. Such wordsmanship is impressive.
It's seems naive to me to believe I wrote those words thinking they'd act as some sort of armor to pilots in a game. I don't have the wordsmanship you clearly do, and therefore know my words are a poor substitute for Military Grade Composite. I'm simply responding to a discussion amigo. As are you, but in a much more hyperbolic style.
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