Gimballed - cheating/cheap, yay or nay?

I think if the word, 'cheating' was not in the title of the thread, not many would have an issue with it.
I think anyone having an "issue" with the thread or title is a tad ridiculous, given it was explicitly a discussion about perceptions of game mechanics and systems.

And, like I pointed out - which no one addressed - what may or may not be a cheap, cheesy, 'cheating' mechanic in a game is a discussion that goes back decades. Legit thread is legit, so to speak. I only used the C word because it was taken directly from a quote. Ergo, perceptions.
 
I mean, some ships don't even really give you too much of an option on the hardpoints- is anyone going to waste the hardpoints on the clipper's wings by making them fixed? You'd never be able to hit small ships with both at once. You could do a strange asymmetric build and use them independently, but that would strike me as a really awkward thing to fly.
 
The idea of warfair is to win. I am sure the first knight shot with a gun said that firearms are unfair and dishonorable. Gimballed weapons are the future.
 
Some of us are useless with fixed guns, like me. I use gimballed weaponry, and the tradeoff is I can't use rails or PAs.
 
I saw this remark earlier, and instead of using PM's or going offtopic I thought I'd just post it as a thread (Steve knows I'm using the quote, and I'm not criticising him or anyone else, btw - it's just a jumping off point).
Well from a 'is it cheating' perspective, in my book, no. I am guessing people are judging it from the gun perspective where, you have to aim correctly to hit, aka, fixed, and while I understand that, even the military and gun companies irl is trying to find ways where they do not need to rely on the shooter being able to hit perfectly, and instead they provide tools that make doing so easier.
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So yeah. Is it cheating? as far as firing a weapon no.
is it cheating in relation to that target will have absolutely no chance? since there is no skill required? maybe, but even modern hunting with a rifle is cheating from that point in my book, heck even a modern crossbow is cheating, in my book there, hunting animals with something they can never compete with, a normal very basic bow would be the maximum level in that aspect in book, if it shouldn't be considered cheating.

So yeah, gimballed makes it easier, however it also gets punished compared to fix with damage and such, but certain situations and ships simply wouldn't work without turret/gimballed tracking, and it already exists today anyway on destroyers and such....
 
The idea of warfair is to win. I am sure the first knight shot with a gun said that firearms are unfair and dishonorable. Gimballed weapons are the future.
The Vatican and many others tried to ban crossbows, because at the time, no real training and skill was required to use them. Where as it took years to train an archer.
 
Gimballed - cheating/cheap, yay or nay?

Of course it is not cheating. It has nothing to do with that at all.
Do you feel an Apache AH-64 using it's turreted M230 chain gun is cheating too? Should the army remove all gimballed and turreted weapons? :)

The only thing that matters in a game is that the weapons are balanced.
Fixed are a lot more powerful.
Kornelius Briedis did the math.
 
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My cutter is equipped entirely with high-output turretted beams. When I get interdicted I push the "kill it" button and turn up the volume on Barber's Adagio for Strings while I engage in a few maneuvers (so I can see the wreckage, mostly)

Am I cheating?
 
I saw this remark earlier, and instead of using PM's or going offtopic I thought I'd just post it as a thread (Steve knows I'm using the quote, and I'm not criticising him or anyone else, btw - it's just a jumping off point).

I know there's a perception amongst some in the community that gimballed is somehow a bit of a cop-out - because it requires less skill, and if you can roll with the added damage output of fixed, then that's the discussion ended.

I suppose I can see the appeal if we're going off gameplay alone, especially given skill with fixed yields better rewards. However, isn't more automated systems on a space vessel rated for combat just downright logical? Generally, as weapons systems advance, automation and everything which can give an edge to targeting, tracking, or destructive effectiveness increases - there is no honour in war or deadly combat, there are only survivors and the dead.

Be it a conflict between two people wielding swords, or two ships in space firing lasers at each other, the end result is all that really matters, and the least effort for the best result is ideal.

And judged in terms of mechanical gameplay, I'd say the most relevant concern for weapons is what's effective on your ship, i.e. angle of tracking, heat efficiency, placement, etc.

Still, personally whenever I upgrade to a Vulture for a dedicated fighter, I won't be installing fixed because even if the pitch rate is good enough to hold on more or less any target, maximising DPS is more important to me. There is no spoon cheating - there is only maximising DPS windows. ;-)

So, is there a generally dismissive or skeptical view of gimballed weapons around here, or even across the broader ED community?

I've always thought FD going the Fixed vs Gimballed route created a rod for their own back.

I wished they'd simply create one mechanism which combined the two:-
- The more "ahead" the target is, the more the damage - Directly ahead gets 100% damage effect, while it peters off dramatically the further off it is.
- Chaff and the like simple reduces the gimbal effect, so the amount the gimbals can track over reduces. If they don't lock on, they fire straight ahead.
...done!

This to me would have meant we don't get an unnecessary weapons divide, while accurate targetting is still rewarded.
 
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I'm I alone in revelling in the disco inferno when chaff is popped at you and your ship's covered in gimballed beams? I'm tempted to not even untarget, just ram & spray point-blank. Maniacal laugh according to preference.
 
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