General / Off-Topic Global Appeal for Next Charity Livestream

[S3B4ST13N]

I'm trying to make the point that for a given amount of money, donations to a different charity equate to different people helped rather than more people helped.

Badly, obviously.

Thanks for the clarification.

It's possible, though I think it's equally possible we could have had 1,000 Americans who didn't donate thanks to the whole distance thing - but would have happily forked out if that perceived spatial distance was much less.

 

[Sir.Tj]

There is no reason why forum members can request other charities to be considered as a possible fundraising event.

There are some incredible charities out there that do fantastic work.

Special effect just happens to be Frontiers charity of choice, something that many companies also do, if an individual would like to support a charity by raising funds and asking the community to help that's fine as well, it's happened countless times with some fantastic gestures and donations. A few crafty forum me bers heard my daughter was raising money for cancer by running the pretty muddy earlier this year and thanks to them she raised a amazing amount, which i will always be massively grateful for (the crafty swines)

This is the reason FD support Specialeffect, and it's brilliant that they do.

[video=youtube;hKLNrCivOzw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKLNrCivOzw[/video]

If you wish to support a charity local to you...go for it

 

[Rob At Work]

Yeah I think you are right OP, I think I want my money back.

How do I get a refund - and NO! it has nothing to do with not winning the Raffle

 

[Oss133]

OP is not moaning and complaining. Just making a perfectly valid suggestion.

Personally I disagree. I think everyone should pick a charity, or at least an approach to charitable giving, and stick to it.

FD have picked theirs. I have picked mine.

Let's act like adults, shall we?

Plus, mine is better so I totally win and d'Bobe can kiss my grillocks.

 

[Lucifera Danzig]

I think the backlash is primarily being inspired by choice of words..."Frontier should include" implies they are obligated to, and somehow fall short of expectation if they do not. If the post had said something more along the lines of, "would Frontier consider future fundraisers that might include," there'd be a lot less negative responses.

 

[Aashenfox]

Personally I prefer to take each thread/post on it's own merits. I've had disagreements with people on one thread, and rep them on the next; pretty sure that causes some confusion though.

Try it like this (humour me):

Instead of looking at the poster (Cosmo), look at the content of the thread and summarise it into two points:

1. A suggestion that Frontier include international charities as well as their local one on their next drive to appeal to their global audience,
2. A congratulation to Frontier on a successful charity drive this year.

Is that complaining? Or is that asking for Frontier to spread their arms a little wider and support other charities as well, thereby reaching more people in need?

As I said above, humans are selfish - so we tend to more inclined to offer charity to charities closer to home; whether we're aware of this bias, or not.

I UTTERLY reject any attempt by ANY member to criticise or influence what charity FD decides to donate to. Period. As you correctly state, the fact that the poster has history is not directly relevant, but is factored into the nature of my response.

I think the backlash is primarily being inspired by choice of words..."Frontier should include" implies they are obligated to, and somehow fall short of expectation if they do not. If the post had said something more along the lines of, "would Frontier consider future fundraisers that might include," there'd be a lot less negative responses.

Would have got the same response from me. What charity FD chooses for any reason has nothing to do with us.

 

[S3B4ST13N]

I UTTERLY reject any attempt by ANY member to criticise or influence what charity FD decides to donate to. Period.

Fair enough. I can see this is an important subject for you, I won't push it.

 

[amigacooke]

Thanks for the clarification.

It's possible, though I think it's equally possible we could have had 1,000 Americans who didn't donate thanks to the whole distance thing - but would have happily forked out if that perceived spatial distance was much less.

That may be true, but does FDevs then have to set up to support a Chinese charity, and a German charity, and a French one, etc.? After all, FD is a software development company, not a professional fundraiser.

 

[S3B4ST13N]

That may be true, but does FDevs then have to set up to support a Chinese charity, and a German charity, and a French one, etc.? After all, FD is a software development company, not a professional fundraiser.

No, that would be silly and a nightmare to maintain.
OP's choice was an international charity (and a big one at that); I think that was more than sufficient.

A simple option: "Would you like to support [Special Effect], or [Child's Play]?"
You select the one you want (or both if you have the money), and off you go. No biggy.

I should point out here, that Child's Play has raised $44m since 2003 and covers over 100 hospitals worldwide.

 

[Aashenfox]

Fair enough. I can see this is an important subject for you, I won't push it.

Fair comment, I came across very ranty on this, yes, it bothers me a lot because it hits a nerve, I feel it's symptomatic of everything that's wrong with the world, people thinking their opinion matters and that everything is fair game for criticism, even acts of kindness. I do lose my objectivity and see red in these matters, my bad cos it doesn't help my case much, just makes me look crazy.

 

[amigacooke]

Here's a link to Child's Play, people can make their own judgement.

 

[Taimaru]

No, that would be silly and a nightmare to maintain.
OP's choice was an international charity (and a big one at that); I think that was more than sufficient.

A simple option: "Would you like to support [Special Effect], or [Child's Play]?"
You select the one you want (or both if you have the money), and off you go. No biggy.

I should point out here, that Child's Play has raised $44m since 2003 and covers over 100 hospitals worldwide.

The problem with being given the choice of charities (and I have no problem supporting other charities) is that it dilutes the money. Instead of raising £53k for Special Effects or raising £53k for Childs's Play is that both would get less - e.g. £26.5k each for example.

It would be better, to have 2 different charity events (but not close together to give time for people to save up some money to give) but then where do you stop there? An event each week or each month? There are a lot of charities - e.g. why not donate to Cancer Research as well (that is one charity that I would support as I lost my Father to cancer) - and picking a number of charities will upset someone.

At the end of the day it is up to Frontier to decide who they want to support through charity events and in my opinion it is better to stick to 1 or 2 charities to avoid diluting the amount of money the community can donate together - i.e. can we all afford to donate £53k to charity events each month or each week?

 

[Ian Skippy]

Not too sure why it being UK based would dissuade people from giving or make it less appealing. Surely nationality shouldn't even come in to the equation.

I wouldn't even think about it if it a US based charity or a French based charity as the money is going to a good cause and helping people in need.

The nationality of the people should be irrelevant in my view.

If that was truly how people commonly feel the world would look very, very different.

 

[Cosmo]

Not too sure why it being UK based would dissuade people from giving or make it less appealing. Surely nationality shouldn't even come in to the equation.

I wouldn't even think about it if it a US based charity or a French based charity as the money is going to a good cause and helping people in need.

The nationality of the people should be irrelevant in my view.

Frontier is a global oriented company and people from all over the world donated to the charity livestream which is great. So if nationality is irrelevant then they should also support a global charity rather than solely a national one.

For example Make-A-Wish International has a more global reach.

The problem with being given the choice of charities (and I have no problem supporting other charities) is that it dilutes the money. Instead of raising £53k for Special Effects or raising £53k for Childs's Play is that both would get less - e.g. £26.5k each for example.

By supporting an international charity it would appeal to more people so that more people would donate.

 

[Tuub t Tute]

Frontier is a global oriented company and people from all over the world donated to the charity livestream which is great. So if nationality is irrelevant then they should also support a global charity rather than solely a national one.

My personal beef with global charities is that they are huge corporations, with CEOs that earn high 6 figure salaries. It takes a big chunk of donation to get past covering their costs and into the hands of those in need.

 

[Cosmo]

My personal beef with global charities is that they are huge corporations, with CEOs that earn high 6 figure salaries. It takes a big chunk of donation to get past covering their costs and into the hands of those in need.

Well that can also happen with small charities. I don't know if this is true or not, see this thread by Episodic Cuddelform.

 

[Non Grata]

My personal beef with global charities is that they are huge corporations, with CEOs that earn high 6 figure salaries. It takes a big chunk of donation to get past covering their costs and into the hands of those in need.

To be fair that argument applies to some degree to any charity that isn't tiny and staffed entirely by volunteers.

That said I'm sure FD's chosen charity does good work and can't understand for a moment why anyone would think it's in any way appropriate to start this thread. I guess we are all brung up different.

 

[Para Handy]

OK I am going to jump in here because I am really sick and tired of certain peoples attitudes. To the OP and his BFF defender - you are being complete (swearyword of your choice)s. You are not being forced to donate to this charity event, you are not being disadvantaged by not participating. F D made their choice of charity, they expended time and treasure into fundraising for it and your sour grapes are just disgusting.

If you don't like F D's choice of charity - go raise funds for a charity of your own choosing.

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[Cosmo]

OK I am going to jump in here because I am really sick and tired of certain peoples attitudes. To the OP and his BFF defender - you are being complete (swearyword of your choice)s.

He or she you're refering to is not my BFF defender.

You are not being forced to donate to this charity event, you are not being disadvantaged by not participating. F D made their choice of charity, they expended time and treasure into fundraising for it and your sour grapes are just disgusting.

Of course any charity should be voluntary, that said, it's a fair point that when a company asks a global audience to donate to a charity that they also consider a global charity that could help people in their neck of the woods too.

If you don't like F D's choice of charity - go raise funds for a charity of your own choosing.

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If you don't like other people's opinion please ignore it.

 

[Sir.Tj]

I'd say that's where the thread will be closed because despite Mod requests there are personal posts discussing the poster.


If you want to suggest alternative charities for Frontier to consider you can contact them at https://www.frontier.co.uk/contact