Glorious PC Master Race, or is it?

I did some tests and I have no view limit all set on ultra / high on all settings. I locked my FPS to 60 FPS.

The FPS do not drop, however the heat generated are one of the signs of GPU load.

Gotta know your PC specs for this to be meaningful.

I'm running it at 4k and maintaining 60 fps except on planets, no heat issues.

GTX 980ti SC+ 6gb
i7-4790k 4.0GHz
16gb DDR3 1600Mhz
 
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SC has literally no optimization. Extensive resource usage is just a sign of bad hardware resources management, or total lack of. What exactly you are trying to say?

"Some other game uses 100% of my CPU/mem while giving me 7FPS when looking at a black background with a few white dots. Why cant ED be like that? :)
 
I have not looked at the temps of my GPU. What I do is normally listen for fan noise. Some games like ED barely make a whisper on my GPU (AMD R9-390), other games make the fans go absolutely crazy and I put this down to poor optimization.
I run in 1920x1080 with everything set to max on an 8GB AMD R9-390, Intel i5 4690K and 16GB RAM and everything running from an M2 SSD.
 
My set my temp to 70c, base temp is 60c on my titan X.

got a constand 60fps on ultra on one 1440p monitor.
on three monitirs set to high i get mostly 60fps. Have my second titan x on the way. So it will be ultra on 7680x1440.
 
E:D still uses only a fraction of available resources. Still, it's stutters and has threading issues due to bad software design.
Just compare to SC, which uses four times (!) the CPU power and double the GPU power on my rig compared to the maximum E:D can achieve in Horizons.

Still, X-Box can't render at 4k, it's probably too slow for OR, and it doesn't handle all the other software that is running in parallel on my rig, from videos to the forums on other screens.

So in essence, I don't feel any heat (literally) from E:D, while SC rapidly heats up my room as CPU and GPU power draw increases by a few hundred watts.

The Xbox was never designed to run at 4K & will never run at 4k. That will be reserved for the next itteration.
 
Gotta know your PC specs for this to be meaningful.

I'm running it at 4k and maintaining 60 fps except on planets, no heat issues.

GTX 980ti SC+ 6gb
i7-4790k 4.0GHz
16gb DDR3 1600Mhz

CPU i7 4960X OC 4.6 GHz on water
GPU 980TI OC 1480 Mhz air cooled
RAM 32Gb 1860 Mhz
ASUS Rampage black IV MOBO
1200W PSU

All measurements are done in Afterburner.

Regarding SC its not the best example of good use of GPU/CPU power.
 
I thought everything ran fine on my old GTS 650, then I bought a GTX 950 and yeah, it wasn't running fine! Runs fine now though, honest. 1080p with maxed settings, with the noticeable exception that I have terrain detail only set to high, because the framerate was starting to dip near 20ish in certain cases, and that's not great if you are trying to avoid smashing into the ground.
 
SC has literally no optimization. Extensive resource usage is just a sign of bad hardware resources management, or total lack of. What exactly you are trying to say?

That's a wrong statement. Optimization says how efficient a software can use the available hardware, especially in comparison with the results it shows.
Granted, you have to optimize a bit in the user.cfg. But the optimization is far better than with E:D. The results show for it. It runs far smoother with tremendously better graphics and without E:D's UI lags. E:D runs bad no matter how much compute power it has available.

What do you not understand? Please explain.
 
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That's a wrong statement. Optimization says how efficient a software can use the available hardware, especially in comparison with the results it shows.
Granted, you have to optimize a bit in the user.cfg. But the optimization is far better than with E:D. The results show for it. It runs far smoother with tremendously better graphics and without E:D's UI lags. E:D runs bad no matter how much compute power it has available.

What do you not understand? Please explain.

ED runs bad? Lolwut? People ran ED on tablets, which is amazing in it's own right. Getting good performance from SC even on monster rig is more of a lottery at the moment. Even then it looks like screen is smeared with soap. What efficiency are we talking about? Barely any work was done to make that engine work decently, and it doesn't look like they will bother to. They believe they build the game for hardware of tomorrow.
 
ED runs bad? Lolwut? People ran ED on tablets, which is amazing in it's own right.

On a tablet? in 4k? Without any stutter whatsoever?

Getting good performance from SC even on monster rig is more of a lottery at the moment.

That's just nonsense your are talking. It depends on good software engineering and hardware optimization. SC can already pull it off (in contrast to E:D and many other games, e.g. Witcher 3), despite still being in development.

Even then it looks like screen is smeared with soap. What efficiency are we talking about? Barely any work was done to make that engine work decently, and it doesn't look like they will bother to. They believe they build the game for hardware of tomorrow.

Again, the modified Cryengine runs efficiently. It can use about all cores, without placing overly much load on a single thread, like E:D does.

Would you please test out BOTH games and watch your CPU and GPU load while doing so before coming up with baseless accusations?
 
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On a tablet? in 4k? Without any stutter whatsoever?



That's just nonsense your are talking. It depends on good software engineering and hardware optimization. SC can already pull it off, despite still being in development.



Again, the modified Cryengine runs efficiently. It can use about all cores, without placing overly much load on a single thread, like E:D does.

Would you please test out BOTH games and watch your CPU and GPU load while doing so before coming up with baseless accusations?

Lol, 4k. You must be joking, right? SC in 4k is just a fantasy for absolute majority of a players. You have to stack top cards in SLI to get any playable framerate. And again, even after that everything will be blurred anyway. 1080 is what people can hope for.
4k gaming in general isn't quite here yet anyway, why would anybody bring it into discussion? However, Elite can be ran in 4k on single GPU.
No idea why am I engaging in this discussion again. Once SC becomes a game, not a tech demo there will be something to talk about.
 
It totally depends which game I'm playing whether i use a console or pc.
I play Elite on my pc, and some strategy games where point and click is easiest. Elite needs lots of key bindings and a joystick on a desk imo. I also find a keyboard and mouse much easier with FPS games.
But games like GTA5, little big planet, minecraft, i find better on a big tv while sitting on my sofa. or with multiple players a console is perfect.
It really depends on the game.
 
Hi Guys, great reply's I was not going to make a console vs PC thread, as you could read I was trying to make a bit of fun. (hint the picture)
Unfortunately, due to the nature of the internet, this thread could degrade quickly into a format war. (Just warming up my popcorn. ;) ) :)
 
SC has literally no optimization. Extensive resource usage is just a sign of bad hardware resources management, or total lack of. What exactly you are trying to say?

?...play with the config....im running SC up to 60fps...butter smooth,its the netcode that lags and jerks SC,as its alpha and still being made.....to avoid the judders I play SC crusader "OFFLINE"....youtube it if anyone is curious,and CIG don't frown upon it.


as for heat for my GPU?.....65-90 c.....at 70-95 fps in normal instances.....45 fps on planet surfaces.
r9280x-overclocked beyond its normal capabilities.
 
What I like about consoles (i do have a ps3) is their convenience and ease of even my wife switching it on. (She isnt a geek or gadget friendly). What I dont like is FPS games on a controller. I just cant get to grips with it. But for GTA or driving games, its the best option for me.
 
What I like about consoles (i do have a ps3) is their convenience and ease of even my wife switching it on. (She isnt a geek or gadget friendly). What I dont like is FPS games on a controller. I just cant get to grips with it. But for GTA or driving games, its the best option for me.

And that is great, I just wonder if the console ever gets hot? I'm trying to find out if the FPS rate are directly connected to the heat or if this is a combination of tasks in the GPU.

If you run ED, and fly low on some of the planets with a lot of geo differences, like valleys and such. I get a steady 60 C on the GPU (fans 100%) however in some of the big settlements the temp. goes up to around 70 C. So its clear to me that this has a big influence on the GPU load. Now, if I load up prepar3D and fly over a big city, I can keep the heat at 60 - 65 C (still 60 FPS) however the complexity of the city are far greater than ED, this also include cars driving around.

The question would be when we see more on the ground, will we keep the current load on the GPU or will it need more power = heat generation?

Again SC and the "modified" cryengine still has a long way to go before its even close to an optimized state. Even with a monster PC it runs like most crysis games. Actually the Witcher 3 runs a lot smoother than most glorious eye candy out there. However the heat generation in that game is terrible. I get continues 70 C on the GPU and 68 - 70 C on the CPU. Again temp reading are from Afterburner, I get different reading if I use the BIOS reading, as they give a lower value on the CPU for some reason?
 
Lol, 4k. You must be joking, right? SC in 4k is just a fantasy for absolute majority of a players. You have to stack top cards in SLI to get any playable framerate. And again, even after that everything will be blurred anyway. 1080 is what people can hope for.
4k gaming in general isn't quite here yet anyway, why would anybody bring it into discussion? However, Elite can be ran in 4k on single GPU.
No idea why am I engaging in this discussion again. Once SC becomes a game, not a tech demo there will be something to talk about.

Fact is: 4k has already arrived in gaming. If you can't afford it for some reason, don't assume that others don't have it as well.
Fact is: SC at 4k runs smoother (less frame drops, no UI lags) with superior graphical quality given the SAME hardware.

At this point, you just make me laugh. You are talking about those little ipads that are not there to run games anyway and call it "optimization" when someone manages to run elite on it. You are also the one who started argueing in the first place, instead of accepting that SC has a better engine that is better optimized and can make better use of given hardware resources while allowing for superior graphics and a better user experience - despite the fact that it's still in development.

Again SC and the "modified" cryengine still has a long way to go before its even close to an optimized state. Even with a monster PC it runs like most crysis games. Actually the Witcher 3 runs a lot smoother than most glorious eye candy out there. However the heat generation in that game is terrible. I get continues 70 C on the GPU and 68 - 70 C on the CPU. Again temp reading are from Afterburner, I get different reading if I use the BIOS reading, as they give a lower value on the CPU for some reason?

Yes, there is still a lot to do in terms of optimization. Yet, CIG has already done better than most current games ever achieved (think of the Batman disaster).

Witcher 3 doesn't run smoother, it renders significantly less framerates than Star Citizen. And there is a lot of effects to turn off to even allow for decent framerates. The Witcher engine has significant troubles distrubing the workload over multiple GPUs and keeping them busy.

My temps are usually in the 30 to 50 degree range, depending on ambient temperature. Only with Prime95 the CPU will get significantly hotter, but remain stable.
 
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