Slightly different opinion than mine, but one of the more valid ones that I've read. +rep
Gradually Losing Respect for Frontier Development - Here is Why
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Slightly different opinion than mine, but one of the more valid ones that I've read. +rep
They can still trololol people indefinitely without having to fear any risk of doing so. I can't think of any other reason tbh.
I don't care how you play, about your rank or ships, the same you care about me anyway.
Playing in Open however, can have consequences involving player interactions that may be resolved with combat, and in this case it is unfair.
Not only is someone with free money going to have 'la crème de la crème' of ships and kit but the insurance to back it over and over again.
Inevitably they are going to engage another player. If the other player doesn't get a bunch of free money then FD just enabled one player to 'pwn' another, or at best engage in a dangerous activity without the earned risk/incentive of the other player involved. That, even if its only one CMDR, is unfair.
No better than GTAV hacks dropping billions on players and enabling them to buy tanks and run rampant. Rockstar reversed those transactions in part because of this. (really they'd rather be selling it for cash).
Whether they like it or not FD has created a few entitled players, and that WILL effect another player and they will not have 'free' recourse.
I would imagine someone would be extra-pee'd if they earned a very expensive ship through the grind and had it destroyed like this, although they may never know it was one of the 'fortunate' ones who did them in... its still unfair.
Playing in Open however, can have consequences involving player interactions that may be resolved with combat, and in this case it is unfair.
Not only is someone with free money going to have 'la crème de la crème' of ships and kit but the insurance to back it over and over again.
Inevitably they are going to engage another player. If the other player doesn't get a bunch of free money then FD just enabled one player to 'pwn' another, or at best engage in a dangerous activity without the earned risk/incentive of the other player involved. That, even if its only one CMDR, is unfair.
No better than GTAV hacks dropping billions on players and enabling them to buy tanks and run rampant. Rockstar reversed those transactions in part because of this. (really they'd rather be selling it for cash).
Whether they like it or not FD has created a few entitled players, and that WILL effect another player and they will not have 'free' recourse.
I would imagine someone would be extra-pee'd if they earned a very expensive ship through the grind and had it destroyed like this, although they may never know it was one of the 'fortunate' ones who did them in... its still unfair.
I'm not. I always play open, and imho these players will still lose interest before any significant effects of their wealth are felt in the interactive universe. Even if one decides to buy a full A anaconda and sit there one-shot'ing other players, they'll get blocked and quickly lose interest anyway.
Payment issues happen and that's one of the first things that need to be sorted ASAP by support. Just because you've never experienced them personally, doesn't mean they don't happen.
About support: It was FD's creative decision to have online only, FD's business decision not to have a subscriber model and FD's business decision to release it in time for the holiday season. Once you go online only, you know your support hours are going to be "mirrored" to normal working people: their off-hours are going to be your peak hours: that's when the majority of your costumers are going to be able to play. We didn't force them to open their game in time for christmas, they did it to themselves. Any business that specifically caters to their customers' off hours and holidays, should staff accordingly. No money because of no subscription model: they did it to themselves. I have no sympathy for the support mess FD made for themselves. And yes. I have worked through the holiday season and e.g. on Christmas days in the past. I didn't like it, but accepted that is was necessary for the business and part of the job. And I'm no longer in that line of work.
Anybody that says but titles XYZ aren't any better: I'm not dealing with title XYZ and I want to set a higher bar for FD. I want them to be excellent, not just able to output a game (however large that achievement is, I want the release to be worth the name)
Anybody that says But they are just a small studio: They are not. FD tries to project to the forum community the image of a small indie studio, but they have grown way past that. They're on the stock market, I've heard things like 200 staff. Not huge in terms of game studios perhaps (this, I don't know), but certainly not small. And certainly, with 200 staff, it's possible (if there's a will to do so from upper management) to set up a schedule to satisfy support needs even in the holiday season. It's not like you need your main dev team (the ones that are responsible for new expansions and all) in full strength, but you do need a certain base "support developers" reserve ready on call.
Most of the problems have been avoidable and FD have brought them on themselves, especially regarding support and resolution of tickets. It was a choice of FD to handle things the way they have been handled: a black hole support process, migrating to a new support system during the ramp up to launch, resolution of refunds due to offline issue taking forever, resolution of refunds in general taking forever, resolution of missing rewards taking forever, lack of communication overall. These have all been avoidable errors and a huge part of the non-gameplay related negative vibe is due to FD's own actions.
Well said sir, totally agree with you.
i'm not in the slightest bit jealous of the so called lottery winners and I couldn't give a damn about them, but
there is right and there is wrong and this is WRONG!
I waited a long time for Elite dangerous, 3 weeks ago it felt like a shiny new pristine box now it kind of feels like a soiled (__________) you can fill in the blank.
I think I will wait for Star Citizen.
50 murderers don't change a country at first. I am talking about fairness and that the way FD has dealt with this situation leads to an unpleasent path which may indeed change ED. Your post is proof enough that ED has already changed, as even parts of the community got used to exploitation.
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daan2002
Banned
can some one show me the post that says it was only 50 ppl thank you
1) Whatever this suggests isn't yours to decide. It s the job of FD's technical support to figure out whether they can help or not.
2) FD is bound to sell a functional product. If the game isn't working on a user's computer despite it meeting the minimum specs, it is then faulty and it is up to FD to fix it. They could of course offer to refund the user if they think they can't do anything or that the effort to fix the problem would be too expensive... Oh but the couldn't offer a refund as everybody was on hollidays. Right after a major release.
Well said sir, totally agree with you.
i'm not in the slightest bit jealous of the so called lottery winners and I couldn't give a damn about them, but
there is right and there is wrong and this is WRONG!
I waited a long time for Elite dangerous, 3 weeks ago it felt like a shiny new pristine box now it kind of feels like a soiled (__________) you can fill in the blank.
I think I will wait for Star Citizen.
I feel you on that. I didn't know how to feel about the game before I played it, but when I did I literally contacted a dozen friends and said I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
Now, mostly due to Frontier causing friends to quit the game, actions they have taken and starting to sympathize with so many players that have voiced real concerns, my desire to play has diminished to nearly zero at this point.
thanks for your time and effort OP to explain us how you think. I am in agreement with you here. Customer service in general, is lacking massively in MMOs. My petition ticket since a week, still not answered. In Eve Online it takes 2-3 weeks sometimes, in Blizzard you only get automated responses that don't solve anything, the reason I quit playing their games years ago. Star Citizen another horrible customer service. People in the forums are actually defending SC's 1+ month response times, also, of people that spent hundreds of dollars in that game. Look at Bungie, it does not even have a customer service. Completely illegal I know, but they rely on a FAQ on their forums and forum moderators that supposed to be helping you, but don't, which is in direct violation of international trade and consumer laws. But that is how it is.
Game companies in general are slacking, so are other institutions, not just in the gaming industry. If people do not unite here and at one point, take action, perhaps even legal action, this will only continue to get worse. These days when you buy a game and download it, you have to cross your fingers and hope it works, and that it always works.
As for people that cheat for credit in this game, let them. They will grow bored of the game even faster and eventually might even risk a ban also. Happened in Defiance. People exploited the system, but in the EULA it is mentioned that exploits are not allowed to abuse of, says the same on this EULA of ED, so they should not be surprised if they get banned.
All I can say is, whatever you do in this game, whatever you click, any transaction, everything, is recorded to the dot. I learned this from Eve Online when I visited them in fanfest. I spoke to a Dev. and he explained me. They know at what time you click on what module, at what time you accelerated, slowed your ship, when you fired the first volley, and they have softwares and programs installed to detect anomalies for bug reports, mainly bug reports, but they also find out a great deal of exploitations, use of illegal other programs that interact with the game, hacks, etc.
So people that cheat, ultimately shoot themselves in the foot and if not, they will just grow bored of the game faster and as soon as they do not hack to be able to grief others, I don't even care they do it tbh...feel a bit sad for them that is all.
Game companies in general are slacking, so are other institutions, not just in the gaming industry. If people do not unite here and at one point, take action, perhaps even legal action, this will only continue to get worse. These days when you buy a game and download it, you have to cross your fingers and hope it works, and that it always works.
As for people that cheat for credit in this game, let them. They will grow bored of the game even faster and eventually might even risk a ban also. Happened in Defiance. People exploited the system, but in the EULA it is mentioned that exploits are not allowed to abuse of, says the same on this EULA of ED, so they should not be surprised if they get banned.
All I can say is, whatever you do in this game, whatever you click, any transaction, everything, is recorded to the dot. I learned this from Eve Online when I visited them in fanfest. I spoke to a Dev. and he explained me. They know at what time you click on what module, at what time you accelerated, slowed your ship, when you fired the first volley, and they have softwares and programs installed to detect anomalies for bug reports, mainly bug reports, but they also find out a great deal of exploitations, use of illegal other programs that interact with the game, hacks, etc.
So people that cheat, ultimately shoot themselves in the foot and if not, they will just grow bored of the game faster and as soon as they do not hack to be able to grief others, I don't even care they do it tbh...feel a bit sad for them that is all.
Personally Im of the opinion that they didn't earn it, it was clearly in error and it puts everyone else at a disadvantage and Im also assuming it may ruin the game for such individuals so for Id probably have to say that it should be taken back for the greater pack idk maybe a "sorry" special insignia or something but I don't see why they should keep it
Oh drat ^^
Well - it happens in reality - its called quantitative easing....but not like this. It was a bug and I don't think it can be described as careless.
Release is still not a Month old but yea if you dont like you can vote with your playing/not playing I wait till the Game really catchs on because what we see ATM is only a Glimps whats coming just look how EVE was in 2003/2004...
It has already been stated that the billionaires won't get banned. FD describes them as "lucky" and offered the option to keep all the money. Receiving persistent advantages from bugs is now officially a gameplay mechanic.
Im just assuming here but wouldn't the single player worlds influence on the market totally destroy the risk to reward system of those delving through hostile territory, making it essentially beyond pointless
The whole billionaire-gate is a glimpse of the future.
daan2002
Banned
from an official Dev not a mod who is most likely a volunteer
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They either realised their PR was bad so they hired a new PR guy with a great CV but no experience in the gaming industry to the extent of never even having played a persistent online game before.
OR they just have no respect for their own game.